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07-14-2006, 01:33 PM
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I disagree...

Do you agree that there is a passive offside rule?
There is, and it wasn't a passive offside case at all.

The other Italian player was next to Toni, thus attracting the French defense attention. He was influencing the game, he was offside. Good call.

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07-14-2006, 01:47 PM
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There is, and it wasn't a passive offside case at all.

The other Italian player was next to Toni, thus attracting the French defense attention. He was influencing the game, he was offside. Good call.
Agree that it WAS offside, but also agree that the penalty given to France WAS dubious indeed.

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07-14-2006, 01:57 PM
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At least the first part is right, Cannavaro or Buffon should have won the Golden Ball. Zidane scored two penalties (Italy and Portugal) and a very nice goal against Spain in extra time. He only got two yellow (which is why sat out against Togo) and a single red.



For what seems like the millionth time to Italy, but who in this thread is saying they aren't deserving champions?
Two yellows is an automatic 1 game suspension which = a red.

Look at Zidane's history ....he's been as dirty as the best of them.....He's nototrios for sucking out!
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07-14-2006, 02:01 PM
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Zidane is still the man, and he's no piece of garbage flopper like 80% of those pansies on the italian team.[/QUOTE]

I love the jealousy......It makes the Italian victory that much sweeter!

Thanks for making my day

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07-14-2006, 02:03 PM
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It doesn't sadden me at all. Having been all my life in the communications field, I'm fascinated by these types of myth creations.

In 20 years from now, Italy's victory will be remembered. But Zidane's myth will be as big as Maradona's. It is already. It's great. Wish I was in his entourage. The communications specialists around him must be going bananas. Like I said: go take a look at E-Bay: his jerseys are selling at a higher price than those of any Italian player. His jerseys in Europe have gone practically out of order. Incredible.

He 's a great player but the fact that his jerseys are being sold for big $ is mostly due to is retirement

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07-14-2006, 02:13 PM
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He 's a great player but the fact that his jerseys are being sold for big $ is mostly due to is retirement


I agree to a certain point. He's still being put on a pedestal. That's all his comm. people wanted.

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07-14-2006, 02:13 PM
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Two yellows is an automatic 1 game suspension which = a red.

Look at Zidane's history ....he's been as dirty as the best of them.....He's nototrios for sucking out!
I watched for years as a memeber of Juventus -----
At the risk of splitting hairs, he got the yellows in two separate group stage matches (Swiss and Korea games) which equals a suspension (it's the same as a red) but it's different. The fouls are not as aggregious as his being sent off in the final.

I don't exactly know what you mean by "sucking out", but yeah he has a history of ill advised fouls (it was a Champions League match with Juve the last time he head butted an opponent).

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07-14-2006, 02:22 PM
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I agree to a certain point. He's still being put on a pedestal. That's all his comm. people wanted.
Just curious as to why you think his communication people (assuming he has any) would want this? It's not like he gets a share of the jersey sales and the incident is more likely to affect his appeal with most advertisers (at least I would think so).

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07-14-2006, 02:26 PM
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Agree that it WAS offside, but also agree that the penalty given to France WAS dubious indeed.
There did not appear to be contact with Malhouda in any of the replays that I saw from the first half penalty, the 2nd half was IMO a clear foul though. I guess it evens out.

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07-14-2006, 02:30 PM
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Heck, the thread is about Materazzi being a dirty player... if some of you want to divert the post to Zidane is dirty as well.... that doesn't cut it. Start another thread, come up with the video as well for Zidane if you want to highlight him as a dirty player. Fine by me.

But looking at the Materazzi video... It shows how of a disgusting player he is... I mean... rush into someone and not play the ball... go play the ball but then decides to kick someone balls instead intentionally... stepping on a players back... going for someone knee.... hitting someone's back with a full leg swing...

Basically, he mimicked most of the dirtiest plays I have ever seen by some of the dirtiest players in hockey history... the whole package in one player.
Must be a Brazil fan!!!!!!! Sorry no party for you!

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07-14-2006, 02:45 PM
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he deserved to get a head butt, but not in the chest but in the FACE! zidane should have broken that piece of garbage's nose.
Sorry FIFA has been shoving this 'anti-racism' stuff down everyones mouths, so when a player does it on the pitch...you're just supposed to let it go? the officials did nothing about it, so zidane did!
As he said, he'd do it again. Was Zidane selfish? NO, he defending the honor of not only his mother and or sister but his faith as well.
Materrazi is a known 'goon.' A classic cheap-shot artist, worse than a claude lemieux...it's been talked to death by the analysts on tsn (saying how he's one of the dirtiest players to play international futball).

Did Zidane have a past where he got redcarded and yellow cards, yah...most players do. That stepping incident on the saudi player 18 years ago (i believe) was while zidane was just a teenager (or atleast close to it), wasn't even a cut & dry penalty call...it was extremely controversial and looked like coincidental contact more than anything.

But in those clips you saw some absolutely brutal side tackles and viscious kicks to areas where people shouldn't be kicked.

This isn't about italy beating france, this is about a known cancer on the field baiting one of the GREATEST players to ever play the game into doing something regretful.

First things first if you mention a algerian's mother in a negative way you're going to have hell to pay, if this persons mother is lying in their death bed it's going to get worse...and just throwing out a dergatory insult like "terrorist" at a devout muslim...now that's grounds for kick in the face (something that materazzi has done SEVERAL times, so it's nothing new to him). What's hilarious though, is materazzi claimed that he doesn't even know what an 'islamic terrorist' is...gee, how stupid are you to know what a terrorist is? If Materazzi wasn't lying about this, then he must clearly have some mental problems.

Well that's all i have got to say about that,

Zidane is still the man, and he's no piece of garbage flopper like 80% of those pansies on the italian team.
I believe France redefinned flopping at this World Cup. Henry was quite the flopper (dive that eliminated Portugal) and let's not forget the Oscar winner Malouda, who was even chastised from the French press.

An thanks for given us a lesson on racism. Apart from all the domestic violence that nearly destroyed Paris, you have LePen and the majority of French population stating that the team was too black as the competition began. (of coarse in typical French flip flopping - they fell in love with the team once they started to win)

As for you - I will gladly add you to my ignore list

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07-14-2006, 02:52 PM
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...An thanks for given us a lesson on racism. Apart from all the domestic violence that nearly destroyed Paris, you have LePen and the majority of French population stating that the team was too black as the competition began. (of coarse in typical French flip flopping - they fell in love with the team once they started to win)
A tiny minority is more accurate, let's not start generalizing. I don't think a clod like Roberto Calderoli is representative of Italian politicians or Italians in general.

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07-14-2006, 02:59 PM
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I believe France redefinned flopping at this World Cup. Henry was quite the flopper (dive that eliminated Portugal) and let's not forget the Oscar winner Malouda, who was even chastised from the French press.

An thanks for given us a lesson on racism. Apart from all the domestic violence that nearly destroyed Paris, you have LePen and the majority of French population stating that the team was too black as the competition began. (of coarse in typical French flip flopping - they fell in love with the team once they started to win)

As for you - I will gladly add you to my ignore list
Don't expect hunjeebakala to respond. Take a look at his other posts. He's either insulting someone or making statements that are totally ficticious.


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07-14-2006, 03:19 PM
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I think you broke the record for having incorrect statements in a post. haha

-The SA incident was 8 years ago.
-No, most players don't have Zidane's yellow and red card record - see link from above about his history.
-Zidane himself said that Materazzi did not say anything racial
-That "known cancer" scored two crucial goals in the WC

Stick to hockey. On second thought...
i wasnt exactly sure when the saudi incident happen (which i stated) but it wasn't exactly recent now was it? nor was it a blatant contact.

zidane's card history is like most good futballers that been around for a while. but you wouldn't know that.

um... did you even hear the zidane interview? he didn't exactly go into great detail about what the italian said to him as he kept it extremely vague, he just said that it was terrible and crossed the line. he said he would rather have been punched then to have heard that. yah, i'm sure materazzi just told zidane that 'he's a bad boy'....and zidane overrreacted.
then again, i'm glad you dismissed the fact that an ITALIAN LIP READER confirmed that what materazzi said was in fact racist. but you'd obviously going to dismiss this FACT, considering you have an agenda.
what does scoring goals take away from the fact he's a cancer? did i ever question materazzi's ability to play the game? the guy has great skill. learn how to read, and as for me sticking to hockey?

well considering i constantly get the better of you in regards to the hockey discussion and this is a message board dedicated to hockey, i'll gladly take that as a compliment.

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07-14-2006, 03:21 PM
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A tiny minority is more accurate, let's not start generalizing. I don't think a clod like Roberto Calderoli is representative of Italian politicians or Italians in general.
Your right I am generalizing, but I think it's more than a tiny minority. Le Pen and his views are alot more common that you think.

I also agree that racism is prevalent in all societies, including Italy.

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07-14-2006, 03:21 PM
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You forgot only italians are floppers.
where did i say only the italians are floppers? learn how to read?
many of you here need a crash course in reading comprehension.



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i wasnt exactly sure when the saudi incident happen (which i stated) but it wasn't exactly recent now was it? nor was it a blatant contact.

zidane's card history is like most good futballers that been around for a while. but you wouldn't know that.

um... did you even hear the zidane interview? he didn't exactly go into great detail about what the italian said to him as he kept it extremely vague, he just said that it was terrible and crossed the line. he said he would rather have been punched then to have heard that. yah, i'm sure materazzi just told zidane that 'he's a bad boy'....and zidane overrreacted.
then again, i'm glad you dismissed the fact that an ITALIAN LIP READER confirmed that what materazzi said was in fact racist. but you'd obviously going to dismiss this FACT, considering you have an agenda.
what does scoring goals take away from the fact he's a cancer? did i ever question materazzi's ability to play the game? the guy has great skill. learn how to read, and as for me sticking to hockey?

well considering i constantly get the better of you in regards to the hockey discussion and this is a message board dedicated to hockey, i'll gladly take that as a compliment.

-Well you said he was a teenager or close to it. Totally false, he was 26.
-Yes it was blatant.

-No they asked it it was a racist comment and Zidane said No. 3 lip readers said three different things. I'll go with what Zidane says.

Where is this a fact? Do you care to elaborate where an Italian lip reader stated it was racist?

If you watched soccer at all you would know where the Saudi incident happened. You were WAYYY off.

You're the 1st person to say Materazzi has "great skill". Another clear indication you have no idea what you're talking about.

The next time you get the better of me in a hockey discussion will be the 1st time.

You're totally clueless, again.

Oh and by the way, his read card history IS NOT like most other good footballers. False. Look up the disciplinary record many of today's top footballers and you will see a difference.


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Your right I am generalizing, but I think it's more than a tiny minority. Le Pen and his views are alot more common that you think.

I also agree that racism is prevalent in all societies, including Italy.
I won't quibble on the numbers.

It's sad that Le Pen and his ilk (all over Europe) who used to be considered fringe or marginal politicians (and to an extent they still are) are becoming more popular.

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where did i say only the italians are floppers? learn how to read?
many of you hear need a crash course in reading comprehension.



hear? I think you "here" should need a comprehension

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I believe France redefinned flopping at this World Cup. Henry was quite the flopper (dive that eliminated Portugal) and let's not forget the Oscar winner Malouda, who was even chastised from the French press.
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henry is a great flopper, but that was the accurate call...he hindered his ability to take the shot. yah the malouda thing was a joke, but these are just two players. The italians were diving all tournament, pretty much all of them. perhaps if you took off your biased glasses, you'd notice it.
Plus my comments was in regards to zidane and how he doesn't dive and how the italians do. it wasn't a france vs. italy thing,

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An thanks for given us a lesson on racism. Apart from all the domestic violence that nearly destroyed Paris, you have LePen and the majority of French population stating that the team was too black as the competition began. (of coarse in typical French flip flopping - they fell in love with the team once they started to win)
what does domestic violence have ANYTHING to do with racism in soccer? did i say anything about french fans not being discriminatory? NO (learn to read much?)! I was mentioning FIFA's anti-racism message all over the world cup, and to have it displayed in the final game by a PLAYER was disgusting.
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As for you - I will gladly add you to my ignore list
i have NEVER seen you make a post in regards to hockey in this forum. so i could care less if you 'ignore' me. i don't even know who you are, nor do i care.

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Yes it was blatant.
Pretty marginal if my memory serves me. Stepping/falling over on a player who just fouled you and is lying on the pitch trying to play the ball is hardly blatant, but its debatable I suppose.

The foul on Kientz, now that was both blatant and brutal.

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You're the 1st person to say Materazzi has "great skill". Another clear indication you have no idea what you're talking about.
This was a little mean, but it was funny.

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hear? I think you "here" should need a comprehension
what? lets not go crazy over a typo now.
perhaps you should learn how to discuss a topic and argue it with credibility and substance, eh?

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what? lets not go crazy over a typo now.
perhaps you should learn how to discuss a topic and argue it with credibility and substance, eh?
sorry you are right,BAKALA

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*redefined.
henry is a great flopper, but that was the accurate call...he hindered his ability to take the shot. yah the malouda thing was a joke, but these are just two players. The italians were diving all tournament, pretty much all of them. perhaps if you took off your biased glasses, you'd notice it.
Plus my comments was in regards to zidane and how he doesn't dive and how the italians do. it wasn't a france vs. italy thing,



what does domestic violence have ANYTHING to do with racism in soccer? did i say anything about french fans not being discriminatory? NO (learn to read much?)! I was mentioning FIFA's anti-racism message all over the world cup, and to have it displayed in the final game by a PLAYER was disgusting.


i have NEVER seen you make a post in regards to hockey in this forum. so i could care less if you 'ignore' me. i don't even know who you are, nor do i care.
Pretty much all of them? Really?

Maybe you can elaborate on your Materazzi - Great skill comment? What a joke.

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I agree. It's more the timing that was off. If not for a championship game, it would have been as satisfying as the Kovalev hit on Tucker.

Absolutely, now put the Kovalev hit on Tucker in the Playoffs, 7th game, in overtime, and watch how people would still love Kovalev after that.....

And know I took an improbable scenario (Leafs in the playoffs or that it would last 7 games.... ) but you get the picture.

You want to settle something, do it but choose the right moment.

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