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02-22-2013, 11:53 AM
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Between this thread and the Kennedy hate thread (thats well deserved though) whats with all of the Adams hatin'? Is he ridin' dirty and you guys don't care for it, or as one poster suggested he's gettin up there in age and we could use DJ or Vitale instead?

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Between this thread and the Kennedy hate thread (thats well deserved though) whats with all of the Adams hatin'? Is he ridin' dirty and you guys don't care for it, or as one poster suggested he's gettin up there in age and we could use DJ or Vitale instead?
I think it's a carry over from last season where he wasn't that useful and especially the playoffs where our pk fell apart completely.

He's been great this year, though. Easily the best hockey he's played since the 09 cup run.

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Between this thread and the Kennedy hate thread (thats well deserved though) whats with all of the Adams hatin'? Is he ridin' dirty and you guys don't care for it, or as one poster suggested he's gettin up there in age and we could use DJ or Vitale instead?
He is completely useless if he's not penalty killing, which we have plenty of fowards that can.

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I'm not saying Vitale deserved to be benched, but what exactly has Adams done that warrants benching? He's been terrific this year.
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It really does bother me when Vitale is out of the line up. It really does.
The dude literally does nothing wrong, plays his heart out, creates offense, and still gets sat. It's so damn frustrating, and a symptom of Bylsma's unaccountability of veterans.

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02-22-2013, 12:00 PM
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The dude literally does nothing wrong, plays his heart out, creates offense, and still gets sat. It's so damn frustrating, and a symptom of Bylsma's unaccountability of veterans.
If anything, Vitale should be promoted and tried on the third line. I don't know if he can play wing, but he can't be any worse than Kennedy.

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Between this thread and the Kennedy hate thread (thats well deserved though) whats with all of the Adams hatin'? Is he ridin' dirty and you guys don't care for it, or as one poster suggested he's gettin up there in age and we could use DJ or Vitale instead?
Adams is great at what he does, but what he does isn't that great.

He kills penalties well... and that's about it. So does Jeffrey, so does Vitale. Hell we also have Cooke, Dupuis, Glass, Sutter, and Crosby who can kill penalties too.

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Yes, get Letang off that first unit.
There's no doubt our PP has been better with Martin back there. How? I don't know. The only think I know is that he gets his shots through a lot better than Letang, but they're going at a snail's pace, so I have no idea how it happens....but it works.

This whole LH shot pp unit followed by a RH shot unit blows my mind. I still say you spread the talent, have a RH shot on both units so that you have to respect BOTH sides of the ice. Imagine if a PK had to worry about a one timer from both sides of the ice for once against the Penguins?

But the PP is going well right now, so we can't complain. It doesn't seem like a well oiled machine by any means, but somehow we're scoring. I thought last game was the best our PP looked all year. Fast puck movement, player movement, shots, etc.

Now to figure out why Engo is staying in the lineup night after night. Or what more Vitale has to do to stay in the lineup.

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If anything, Vitale should be promoted and tried on the third line. I don't know if he can play wing, but he can't be any worse than Kennedy.
I'd 100% be in favor of this.

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The dude literally does nothing wrong, plays his heart out, creates offense, and still gets sat. It's so damn frustrating, and a symptom of Bylsma's unaccountability of veterans.
Again though, why should Adams be benched? He's played very well. If anybody should be benched, it's TK. I'd be fine with having Vitale in over TK.

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There's no doubt our PP has been better with Martin back there. How? I don't know. The only think I know is that he gets his shots through a lot better than Letang, but they're going at a snail's pace, so I have no idea how it happens....but it works.

This whole LH shot pp unit followed by a RH shot unit blows my mind. I still say you spread the talent, have a RH shot on both units so that you have to respect BOTH sides of the ice. Imagine if a PK had to worry about a one timer from both sides of the ice for once against the Penguins?

But the PP is going well right now, so we can't complain. It doesn't seem like a well oiled machine by any means, but somehow we're scoring. I thought last game was the best our PP looked all year. Fast puck movement, player movement, shots, etc.

Now to figure out why Engo is staying in the lineup night after night. Or what more Vitale has to do to stay in the lineup.
I think it's because Martin doesn't go spaz when he gets the puck on the powerplay. He doesn't try the pump fakes and perfect passes. I think it's just a calming effect.

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There's no doubt our PP has been better with Martin back there. How? I don't know. The only think I know is that he gets his shots through a lot better than Letang, but they're going at a snail's pace, so I have no idea how it happens....but it works.

This whole LH shot pp unit followed by a RH shot unit blows my mind. I still say you spread the talent, have a RH shot on both units so that you have to respect BOTH sides of the ice. Imagine if a PK had to worry about a one timer from both sides of the ice for once against the Penguins?

But the PP is going well right now, so we can't complain. It doesn't seem like a well oiled machine by any means, but somehow we're scoring. I thought last game was the best our PP looked all year. Fast puck movement, player movement, shots, etc.

Now to figure out why Engo is staying in the lineup night after night. Or what more Vitale has to do to stay in the lineup.
Only thing I'd change is Sutter filling in for Kunitz. Kunitz is actually quite useless out there as a "net front presence"

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Only thing I'd change is Sutter filling in for Kunitz. Kunitz is actually quite useless out there as a "net front presence"
Agreed. I don't really know what Kunitz brings to the PP.

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Only thing I'd change is Sutter filling in for Kunitz. Kunitz is actually quite useless out there as a "net front presence"
He hinders the PP probably as much as he helps it.

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I think it's a carry over from last season where he wasn't that useful and especially the playoffs where our pk fell apart completely.

He's been great this year, though. Easily the best hockey he's played since the 09 cup run.
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He is completely useless if he's not penalty killing, which we have plenty of fowards that can.
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Adams is great at what he does, but what he does isn't that great.

He kills penalties well... and that's about it. So does Jeffrey, so does Vitale. Hell we also have Cooke, Dupuis, Glass, Sutter, and Crosby who can kill penalties too.
Ok makes sense. I enjoy guys like him who do their job well but then again there are others who could do it better. I also like having him in the game when he starts to get into it with another teams Cooke, for lack of a better term, becasue its funny to consider how much smarter he is than them. But ya I'd MUCH rather see Kennedy benched, get both DJ and Vitale (much more a Vitale guy than Jeffery) in there at times.

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Again though, why should Adams be benched? He's played very well. If anybody should be benched, it's TK. I'd be fine with having Vitale in over TK.
I believe that's the most common opinion but it seems TK won't be coming out so drop to the 4th line and why not Adams then. Almost a compromise it seems.

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Agreed. I don't really know what Kunitz brings to the PP.
if Letang would actually shoot the puck, i wouldnt mind him down there for one timers lol

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if Letang would actually shoot the puck, i wouldnt mind him down there for one timers lol
That's why I'd put Sutter in there, simply to give the threat of a right handed shot and the PK having something else to worry about.

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Again though, why should Adams be benched? He's played very well. If anybody should be benched, it's TK. I'd be fine with having Vitale in over TK.
I'd be all for that. TK just isn't good enough for the top 6, but IMO isn't a good fit for the 3rd line either. I know he gets a lot of hate, and it's not that he's useless, he just can't seem to find a fit here.

Adams is a great vet guy to have, but would like to see him sit more in the regular season and get more time in the playoffs.

Even having him play everyday, moving TK allows Vitale and Jeffrey to play everyday.

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If anything, Vitale should be promoted and tried on the third line. I don't know if he can play wing, but he can't be any worse than Kennedy.
You know, I seem to recall a more naive Bylsma once thought a spark plug like Vitale might just work on a line with Geno in the playoffs. But, that was before his buddy Granato came to town and set him straight.

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That's why I'd put Sutter in there, simply to give the threat of a right handed shot and the PK having something else to worry about.
Sutter might be fine, but I can think of a Penguins forward who's got a sharper right handed shot and would be more creative with the time and space he'd get on the Pens PP . . .


























. . . And no, I don't ******* mean Beau Bennett, I mean Craig Adams.

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You know, I seem to recall a more naive Bylsma once thought a spark plug like Vitale might just work on a line with Geno in the playoffs. But, that was before his buddy Granato came to town and set him straight.
I would honestly be more enthusiastic about Vitale in that spot than Cooke or any of the other ones tried there.

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Only thing I'd change is Sutter filling in for Kunitz. Kunitz is actually quite useless out there as a "net front presence"
He's got a pretty solid kick technique down

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I would honestly be more enthusiastic about Vitale in that spot than Cooke or any of the other ones tried there.
Me too. I wasn't joking. Look at everyone who's been tried at L2 LW and tell me why Vitale didn't even merit a period. He wins board battles, has a little creativity, is fast and hits, plays responsible defense, and can help on the faceoffs. Oh, I know why . . . BYLSMA.

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It really does bother me when Vitale is out of the line up. It really does.
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He is completely useless if he's not penalty killing, which we have plenty of fowards that can.
No, he's not. He's a good 4th line player. Responsible defensively, hits, plays with energy and while he's horrible at it, will fight when the situation calls for it (not staged fights)

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