I didn't get to see Butch play, but Elias played on a lot of teams where he had no offensive help, unlike Goring.
What a Bozo and unclassy guy they let on TV these days. Not only did he for sure gain from playing with those guys he played with, but he also scored his during a very much so higher scoring era.
Funny thing from the article though:
Elias, in the last year of his contract, will be 37 on April 13. If he scores another 40 points this season — he has 19 through the Devils’ first 16 games — the 1,000-point milestone will be within reach next season, wherever he plays.
Why the heck would he have to score 40 more this season to have a chance at 1000 next season? And this coming from a NJ newssource. I guess they went by his average this season so far, but god cant just sport journalists know something about their field?
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To be fair to Goring, after seeing his teammate Clark Gillies get inducted, I don't blame him for wondering why he's not in himself.
but i think there's also a sense that goring, tonelli, and morrow probably should look at gillies' induction as representing them too. like it could have been any of them, but they can't all go on, so they just picked one to stand for the group. maybe bourne and maybe even brent sutter too.
goring was a really good player, but spent most of his prime as an extremely productive second line center behind an MVP/scoring champ-calibre #1 (dionne, then trots). on different team, i don't know that he's a hall of famer, but could he have been some other, less star-heavy team's brian propp or nifty middleton?
as a second line center, he finished 12th in points twice-- part of that was probably boosted by playing with dionne on the PP, and those were his best PP years, but he was also taking on heavy defensive assignments, PK time, and probably didn't get nearly the prime offensive icetime that dionne's line did.
Man, alot of you are talking like Goring was a bum. And what's this, he states an opinion and 1/2 of you call him stupid and dumb. Some of you need to back of the hyperbolic nonsense. Because you don't agree with someone, doesn't mean they are stupid, because Butch has done more than any of you ever will in your lifetime. So, what's that make you? He's such a dummy, he's been an NHL coach to 2 teams
Is he HoF material? I don't think so, but as someone mentioned how did Clark Gillies get in and Goring who had the better career get skipped over? Goring has some serious hardware, Conn Smythe, Lady Byng, Masterson plus was a champion at every level he played.
But than again, I don't think Ellias should be in HoF either.