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02-22-2013, 09:53 AM
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And what if he doesn't return to scoring 50-60 per season? Then what? You traded a forward and a defenseman for just one forward - thus creating yet another hole. Ovechkin is now Buffalo's albatross.

Stick with the devil you know.
Yea you have to take risks sometimes to be great. Either side you are picking up what can be considered to be a bad contract, Ovy for Buffalo and Myers for Washington. Although Ovy's is worse there is a difference between the two. Ovy has performed at an elite level for more than a season in the past. Myers value on the other hand is almost all potential.

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02-22-2013, 09:57 AM
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Yea you have to take risks sometimes to be great.
Sometimes. But if I'm Buffalo I just look at the trend with Ovechkin, I look at the contract, I ask myself why Washington would want to get rid of him, and I play it safe by holding on to my own assets. Especially right now, I think doing something like that is the last thing Buffalo should be doing.

Myers' contract is bad too. But I give that some time.

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02-22-2013, 09:59 AM
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Sometimes. But if I'm Buffalo I just look at the trend with Ovechkin, I look at the contract, I ask myself why Washington would want to get rid of him, and I play it safe by holding on to my own assets. Especially right now, I think doing something like that is the last thing Buffalo should be doing.
I personally believe that Ovy will turn it around with a new team. At least have a couple great seasons.

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02-22-2013, 10:09 AM
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I personally believe that Ovy will turn it around with a new team. At least have a couple great seasons.
That's nice, but it's not a risk Buffalo can take, especially at the expense of young talent.

If the Caps want to deal Ovi, the only way I think it makes sense is if there's a fringe contender who thinks he can turn it around/be the piece that pushes them over the top and have some young pieces to spare, so they can make the trade without creating to holes in their roster. Buffalo is 100% not that place.

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02-22-2013, 11:03 AM
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Actually it is a good fit because every team could use more offense.
If we're going to use this simplistic logic that more offense is always better then we might as well ice six forwards at all E/S times.

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And Washington doesn't want Myers and his contract, either.

Fun fact, if not for the lockout prorating contracts this season, Tyler Myers would be getting paid $13M more than Ovechkin this season. $12M base salary and $10M signing bonus for Myers this year.
you are reading capgeek.com wrong

of his 12 million salary... 10 million was paid in signing bonus up front.

Ovechkin 9 million salary
Myers 12 million salary

for a difference of 3 million

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02-22-2013, 01:08 PM
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If we're going to use this simplistic logic that more offense is always better then we might as well ice six forwards at all E/S times.
So you are saying that Ovechkin on the Sabres scoring 50 goals doesn't make them better than Pominville and Myers?

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02-22-2013, 01:16 PM
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So you are saying that Ovechkin on the Sabres scoring 50 goals doesn't make them better than Pominville and Myers?
In the context of all the factors that you have to take into in real life, including the age of all involved, its impact on their production, and their respective contracts, and the needs of my team, I would rather keep Poms and Myers.

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02-22-2013, 02:53 PM
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Wow people are actually bringing up contracts when Myers was a healthy scratch earlier this year.

You can say there is a chance Ovechkin won't be as dominant as before, but there is an equal chance that Myers will never repeat his rookie season.

I would definitely take the risk of Ovechkin returning to form considering he has looked good this season.

Even with Pominville, Caps still decline.

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02-22-2013, 03:03 PM
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I would want Pominville, Myers, Grigorenko and Miller
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Ovechkin and Braden Holtby
Man, Ovechkin isn't that 65 goals scorer anymore.

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02-22-2013, 03:17 PM
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Wow people are actually bringing up contracts when Myers was a healthy scratch earlier this year.
Alexander Ovechkin is a 27 year old signed for eight more years at a cap hit of nearly ten million dollars a year. Ovechkin has declined in the past few years. He's still an outstanding player and could still be at the top of the scoring race for many years to come.

Tyler Myers is a 23 year old defenseman signed for five years at a cap hit that's nearly half of Ovechkin's (understanding that his production will never be as high as Ovi's in his prime), signed to a team that is in desperate need of a stud defenseman, which Myers has already proven he can be.

So yes - when you're comparing contracts and actually looking at the needs of the teams, the fact that Myers was a healthy scratch this year doesn't trivialize any of the other information.

I don't like the trade because I think Myers is better than Ovechkin (that's ridiculous), I don't like the trade because I don't think it necessarily makes the Sabres a better team while taking on what is clearly a bigger contract.

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02-22-2013, 04:16 PM
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I would just like to take a moment and reflect on the fact that a few seasons ago, the idea of trading Ovechkin was ridiculous and impossible. Now? It's ridiculous and impossible for an entirely different reason.

Congrats Ovi, you have the (2nd) worst contract in the NHL.

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02-23-2013, 02:06 PM
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Sabres need a change to the team as do the Caps so trading would be a smart way to go

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02-23-2013, 02:16 PM
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Sabres need a change to the team as do the Caps so trading would be a smart way to go
Yeah, but why with each other? Unless the Caps want to give us Alzner...

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If Washington were to trade Ovechkin to Buffalo it would take our only good players Pominville, Vanek, Ennis and Miller.

Ovechkin is untouchable. End of story.

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02-23-2013, 03:59 PM
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Buffalo doesn't want Ovie and his contract
For Mayers and Pomenville? Of course they do.

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02-23-2013, 04:16 PM
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For Mayers and Pomenville? Of course they do.
No, we really don't.

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02-23-2013, 05:12 PM
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I swear its like Ovi read this thread early this morning. Hmmm Buffalo fans want to question my impact and value to a team....I score goals get hat trick.

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No ovi for you !

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02-23-2013, 06:07 PM
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Even through his "slump" Ovechkin has still been generating world class offensive chances and hitting people left and right, while Myers has been playing like a bigger Jeff Schultz.

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Buffalo doesn't want Ovie and his contract
but what if they give Miller and his contract in return?

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02-23-2013, 08:21 PM
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Yeah, but why with each other? Unless the Caps want to give us Alzner...
I was responding to the people who thought my counter proposal of Grigorenko (unproven and unimpressive as well as scratched alot), Pominville (Who I Love), and Myers (soft, overated, overpaid, and expensive) plus Miller.

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Alex and Holtby. If you want the Caps can throw in a draft pick.
The trade may make no sense but IMHO the value is there.

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holy smokes people act like Ovechkin is Scott Gomez or something. In his WORST season of his career he scored 38 goals and 65 points.

i can guarantee almost every team would want him on their team, maybe not at that price, but even at 9.5mil a year at least 10+ teams would want him.

people don't realize that long contracts that will be overpayments in the future are the norm nowadays and what it takes to get the best players.

and also, if the Cap continues to rise, that 9.5 will continue to be worth a smaller percentage of the total cap. and aside from the small market teams, actual total spending is hardly an issue and they only worry about the cap.

if the Caps wanted to move him, they could.

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02-23-2013, 09:43 PM
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I was responding to the people who thought my counter proposal of Grigorenko (unproven and unimpressive as well as scratched alot), Pominville (Who I Love), and Myers (soft, overated, overpaid, and expensive) plus Miller.

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Alex and Holtby. If you want the Caps can throw in a draft pick.
The trade may make no sense but IMHO the value is there.
Yeah but no. Grigorenko is more than likely not going anywhere -- Buffalo is rebuilding. Myers too.
Miller has been amazing this season and should only be traded if he's not interested in re-signing.
Pominville can go, but should be dealt for younger pieces, not an overpaid winger who Buffalo is still going to ****ing lose with.

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For Mayers and Pomenville? Of course they do.
Nooooo. NOOOOOO. GOD NO.

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