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02-22-2013, 10:43 AM
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Oh no, you mean that my posts on an internet message board specifically meant for discussing trade proposals and player values aren't being read by every GM in the league?

lol.

I think he is a very good player than you have two very proud fan bases. I think ROR is a hell of a player, is he a first line player? Tough to say, throwing a lot at him. My guess is he would need a few more years at the 2 spot to develop some more. Remember, if some of you are old enough. Mats Sundin was the #2 behind Sakic and he was a first overall pic. When he was traded to Tor he was our second line centre behind Gilmour, there were a number of years on there where he needed time to grow into those skates. Other than over the top talent like Crosby there a very few guys like Sakic and Tavares that walk into a leading 1C role at age 18. Takes a long time. I think ROR would be better suited at the 2 spot and continue to work on his game. I think he would be gold behind Tavares.

I honestly really like Gardiner, I think he is going to be a hell of a d-man. I see him playing a long time for the Leafs and being someone we look back at and say what a player he was. Nonis is just keeping him in the AHL to get sharp and we have too many d-men and he makes the most sense to spend a little more time there and play huge minutes until bodies are moved.

I actually hate what you guys are going through since you found a gem in the second round and no comp will ever seem like enough. If it was me I would be trying to mend the fences but I really don't like the way the management team has handled players in the last few years.

My BS rant for the day, actually my second.

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lol.

I think he is a very good player than you have two very proud fan bases. I think ROR is a hell of a player, is he a first line player? Tough to say, throwing a lot at him. My guess is he would need a few more years at the 2 spot to develop some more. Remember, if some of you are old enough. Mats Sundin was the #2 behind Sakic and he was a first overall pic. When he was traded to Tor he was our second line centre behind Gilmour, there were a number of years on there where he needed time to grow into those skates. Other than over the top talent like Crosby there a very few guys like Sakic and Tavares that walk into a leading 1C role at age 18. Takes a long time. I think ROR would be better suited at the 2 spot and continue to work on his game. I think he would be gold behind Tavares.

I honestly really like Gardiner, I think he is going to be a hell of a d-man. I see him playing a long time for the Leafs and being someone we look back at and say what a player he was. Nonis is just keeping him in the AHL to get sharp and we have too many d-men and he makes the most sense to spend a little more time there and play huge minutes until bodies are moved.

I actually hate what you guys are going through since you found a gem in the second round and no comp will ever seem like enough. If it was me I would be trying to mend the fences but I really don't like the way the management team has handled players in the last few years.

My BS rant for the day, actually my second.
I agree, especially with the bolded part. Look at the last few years.

Fleischmann - acquired in a trade, has a health scare, but is able to continue his NHL career, the Avs let him go without an offer. Signs with Florida (Avs East) and is doing well.

Mueller - acquired in a trade, gets a concussion, just when he looks to be able to continue his NHL career, the Avs let him go without an offer. Follows Fleischmann to Florida.

Craig Anderson - looks like the G of the future a few years ago. Avs make him a lowball contract offer, he gets disgruntled and they trade him for Brian Elliott.

Elliott plays like crap in front of the struggling Avs team, doesn't get a qualifying offer, goes to the Blues where he wins the Jennings, Crozier and sets the NHL record for SV%.

Ian LaPerriere - After 5 years with the team (including lockout year) and becoming a fan favorite, the Avs give him a lowball "take it or leave it" offer. He leaves it and signs with Philly.

I won't even go farther back for Drury and Tanguay. O'Reilly is just the last in a long line of contract negotiation blunders for Avs management. I'd like to believe they can work something out, but I have a feeling that it would require O'Reilly to do all the compromising. So, I've resigned myself to hoping they get the best possible return for him. And I don't think Gardiner+ is the best offer Sherman is going to get.

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Ah look...another fan judging O'Reilly off of points.

Tell me, how is making the NHL as an 18 year old, leading your team in PK time as a rookie, being great defensively, and putting up 26 points playing with offensive stalwarts Tucker and McLeod not a good season? There is so much more to ROR than points.

Luckily NHL teams have scouts who actually watch games, not go to the stats page and look at points and decide what is a good season and what is not based off that. Teams trading for ROR are trading for his defense just as much as his offense.
If you actually bothered to read and comprehend my post, you will have noticed that I did just the opposite of that. I fully acknowledged that O'Reilly is a great defensive forward, I fully acknowledged that he was young and still developing, HOWEVER one cannot ignore a player's offense.

There is a massive difference in value between a 26-point forward who's great defensively and a 55-point forward with the same attributes. RoR has had one season of the latter. If you and your fellow fans are asking for a return based on that season, based on 55 points and great defensively, then RoR has had one good season.

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