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02-22-2013, 02:42 PM
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The problem with Zids is that he doesn't just have have "a bad game," he has an atrocious, humiliating, abortion of a game. He's never just slightly off, when he plays poorly he does so in spectacular fashion. Which is a shame, because when he's not playing poorly he's a very important player and gives us a dimension we haven't had since Rafalski.
I would honestly sit him when he's playing like he doesn't have a care in the world when playing in his own zone. His PP time can be spread out between Larsson and Fayne, who are also right handed shots.

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02-22-2013, 02:43 PM
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Salvador for the most part has been fine. He's had some rough patches this season for sure, and a few bad games, but hasn't been terrible. He should never be paired with Volchenkov though, those two don't play well together.

Tallinder has been brutal and should never be in the lineup in place of a Fayne.

Volchenkov is fine as long as he is played in his comfort zone.

Larsson needs to play more.

Fayne should never be a scratch.

Zidlicky has his ups and downs, and should maybe be given less power play time so Greene and Larsson get a chance.
I agree on everything except the Zids part. He is from a different universe on the PP compared to Greene/Larsson. Just look at the **** he is doing. He has his mind set on scoring, whichs comes at a cost of giving up a short handed chance, but hey, thats a pp. Odds are in favor of the team playing full strenght.

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I'd like him a lot more if he would stop shooting wide and high and taking a penalty every game.
Agreed with this. His positives outweigh his negatives. At least he is good in the offensive zone and average in the d zone. Tallinder is bad at both. Also, does anyone else think Zidlicky has a funny looking slapshot? It seems like it's a quick windup and release. Maybe if he took his time he could hit the net more.

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The problem with Zids is that he doesn't just have have "a bad game," he has an atrocious, humiliating, abortion of a game. He's never just slightly off, when he plays poorly he does so in spectacular fashion.
Besides Andy Greene, I challenge you to name another D-man on our roster who doesn't do this.

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02-22-2013, 02:47 PM
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According to Dreger...

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He mentioned that Carolina is "scouring" the market for a depth defenseman and Toronto makes a lot of sense, with Liles and Komisarek now being healthy scratches on a nightly basis.
Maybe MacLean can put in a good word for Tallinder

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I would honestly sit him when he's playing like he doesn't have a care in the world when playing in his own zone. His PP time can be spread out between Larsson and Fayne, who are also right handed shots.
Well, we can't sit everybody.

But Fayne and Larsson (for the moment) are nowhere near the playmaker, passer Zids is.

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Maybe MacLean can put in a good word for Tallinder
Too bad Tallinder was horrible during Mac's tenure here (then again, who wasn't, other than Taormina?!).

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Too bad Tallinder was horrible during Mac's tenure here (then again, who wasn't, other than Taormina?!).
I was thinking the exact same thing. Tallinder was particularly bad under Maclean. Even worse than Volchenkov I'm pretty sure. OMG and Corrente might have been worse. And maybe Fayne's first few games in the NHL.

This Tallinder we've been seeing now is worse than the Maclean Tallinder. This Tallinder we've been saying now is worse than Kurtis Foster.

Foster could actually play on the PP and get us some points. Foster was also kept off the PK.

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Well, we can't sit everybody.

But Fayne and Larsson (for the moment) are nowhere near the playmaker, passer Zids is.
Zids has more flash and perhaps better passing ability than Larsson ATM, but Larsson's shot placement is superior and his ability to keep pucks in is also.

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People tend to forget that the teams we are facing let absolutely no room to set up Kovalchuk on PP anymore. The league has been brutalized over a decade by hs one-timer, they've seen enough.*

That's why Zids is so important on the PP now. Unlike any other defence-men in the line-up, Zids is a pure shooter. When he has enough room, he's never afraid to take 2 or 3 heavy shots in a row.


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I was thinking the exact same thing. Tallinder was particularly bad under Maclean. Even worse than Volchenkov I'm pretty sure. OMG and Corrente might have been worse. And maybe Fayne's first few games in the NHL.

This Tallinder we've been seeing now is worse than the Maclean Tallinder. This Tallinder we've been saying now is worse than Kurtis Foster.

Foster could actually play on the PP and get us some points. Foster was also kept off the PK.
Tallinder was a -19 in MacLean's 33 games and was a -26 in early January It's actually amazing he got back to -6 by the end of the year.

Astonishingly Volch was only a -6 under MacLean though he did miss some time with the facial injuries/concussion/whatever. I think Greene and Kovy were even worse than Tallinder, in the mid -20's by the time Lemaire rode back into town.

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02-22-2013, 03:33 PM
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Well, we can't sit everybody.

But Fayne and Larsson (for the moment) are nowhere near the playmaker, passer Zids is.
Well Zidlicky just doesn't look to be in any type of hurry to make a play in the defensive zone. He knows he'll get crushed like a bug if he tries to be the 1st one in the corner so he often ends up 2nd on those loose puck battles and that's where we start chasing the puck. That results in us getting pinned in our own end for like a entire minute.

I do agree that Zidlicky takes some of the attention away from Kovy and our forwards down low cause he's a actual threat to score from the point, something we've been missing for the pas decade IMO. It just creates more space in the slot cause now, opposing forwards are actually covering our point men.

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Well, we can't sit everybody.

But Fayne and Larsson (for the moment) are nowhere near the playmaker, passer Zids is.
In a shooting power play set up, I think Larsson would absolutely thrive. Like someone said his ability to get shots on net or in deflectable areas is crucial. Taormina was amazing at doing this.

I get the idea that they want Larsson to strengthen his five-on-five game first, and I agree with it. But, I'm in the boat that Zidlicky really isn't as crucial to this team as some think he is. It's not like I want him on the next train out, but if he gets traded, I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

I just feel like Larsson and Greene can step up into that role adequately, and are better all-around players to boot.

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While I'm at it, Zids driving to the net to fake a shot on the game winning goal last night was worth a primary assist to me. Watch him closely it's a brilliant, playmaking move.



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In a shooting power play set up, I think Larsson would absolutely thrive. Like someone said his ability to get shots on net or in deflectable areas is crucial. Taormina was amazing at doing this.

I get the idea that they want Larsson to strengthen his five-on-five game first, and I agree with it. But, I'm in the boat that Zidlicky really isn't as crucial to this team as some think he is. It's not like I want him on the next train out, but if he gets traded, I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

I just feel like Larsson and Greene can step up into that role adequately, and are better all-around players to boot.
Only problem with Larsson on the PP right now IMO is his slapshot isn't that strong. He rarely shoots and most of the time is looking for a pass or deflection. If you have him on the PP, teams aren't going to respect his shot enough to make it dangerous.

Zidlicky has a strong slapshot so you can't leave him with space.. makes it more dangerous since he can beat you with his shot or with a pass. Larsson needs to strengthen his slapshot first IMO or teams will know exactly what he's going to do.

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I caught that on a couple replays as well. Nice little fake.

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In a shooting power play set up, I think Larsson would absolutely thrive. Like someone said his ability to get shots on net or in deflectable areas is crucial. Taormina was amazing at doing this.

I get the idea that they want Larsson to strengthen his five-on-five game first, and I agree with it. But, I'm in the boat that Zidlicky really isn't as crucial to this team as some think he is. It's not like I want him on the next train out, but if he gets traded, I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

I just feel like Larsson and Greene can step up into that role adequately, and are better all-around players to boot.
I'm sure Larsson is going to be a fine PP point producer soon enough. And I'm not huge fan of Zids at ES neither but I love almost every thing he does on the PP on the other hand. In my eyes he's without a doubt our best offensive defence-man.

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Tallinder was a -19 in MacLean's 33 games and was a -26 in early January It's actually amazing he got back to -6 by the end of the year.

Astonishingly Volch was only a -6 under MacLean though he did miss some time with the facial injuries/concussion/whatever. I think Greene and Kovy were even worse than Tallinder, in the mid -20's by the time Lemaire rode back into town.
He was -19, but I bet he had good CORSI numbers!

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Only problem with Larsson on the PP right now IMO is his slapshot isn't that strong. He rarely shoots and most of the time is looking for a pass or deflection. If you have him on the PP, teams aren't going to respect his shot enough to make it dangerous.

Zidlicky has a strong slapshot so you can't leave him with space.. makes it more dangerous since he can beat you with his shot or with a pass. Larsson needs to strengthen his slapshot first IMO or teams will know exactly what he's going to do.
This post is real solid.

I love when Larsson has his head up and tries for the "perfect" deflection... but he also needs to start sending pucks on net. If he adds a little more speed to his slapshot, he can be a real solid asset on the PP but in the meantime, he would be less effective then Zidlicky for the simple fact that his shot isn't anything scary.

Can't wait to see all the other dimensions Larsson will add in his game in the next 2 to 3 years. Kind of wish Big Bird would've stayed a extra couple of years to finalise his "project" in Larsson.

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larssons shot isnt as good as zidlickys but to say his shot isnt strong is a bit silly. His shot was labeled the best in his draft class. He has a great shot, a deflectable and accurate one at that. Its just not as heavy as zidlickys.

He does need to use it more though.

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He just needs to load the cannon more, so to speak. His first goal was a bullet on a slapper.

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larssons shot isnt as good as zidlickys but to say his shot isnt strong is a bit silly. His shot was labeled the best in his draft class. He has a great shot, a deflectable and accurate one at that. Its just not as heavy as zidlickys.
I don't think Larsson has a particularly hard shot from the point. It's not Mottau'esq but it's no rocket either.

Adding a little more speed to his shot, wich will happen over the next couple of years when he'll be "fully grown", won't hurt one bit.

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Kovy's slap shot isn't nearly as accurate as it used to be

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Only problem with Larsson on the PP right now IMO is his slapshot isn't that strong. He rarely shoots and most of the time is looking for a pass or deflection. If you have him on the PP, teams aren't going to respect his shot enough to make it dangerous.

Zidlicky has a strong slapshot so you can't leave him with space.. makes it more dangerous since he can beat you with his shot or with a pass. Larsson needs to strengthen his slapshot first IMO or teams will know exactly what he's going to do.
My thoughts exactly, everything you said.


Deflectable wrist shots from the point are what you need with all the traffic at ES and no doubt Larsson is pretty awesome at it. But good PP units thrive under heavy, powerful shots from the points.

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I don't think Larsson has a particularly hard shot from the point. It's not Mottau'esq but it's no rocket either.

Adding a little more speed to his shot, wich will happen over the next couple of years when he'll be "fully grown", won't hurt one bit.
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Yea, probably underrated Larsson's shot but to me, his shot isn't threatening enough to make the PK respect it as a scoring threat. His deflections and passing are the things of wet dreams though.

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