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02-22-2013, 06:58 PM
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None of the players you listed would net RoR. Actually Colorado probably wouldn't trade RoR if a package of all 8 players for RoR. I could be wrong though.

I would have offered a 2014 2nd and Petersson. It would be a bit of a low ball offer but it is porbably closer to the actual value of RoR than what Colorado is asking for.
A 2014 2nd??? Isn't Bishop worth a 2nd? Maybe they don't need another goalie, I don't know. But what is Hoffman worth? What is Da Costa worth? What is Condra worth? What is Boro, Petersson, Fatendresse & Regin worth?

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I'm definitely in the claiming Jan Mursak camp.. would be solid depth with all the injuries and think he definitely has potential.. he ripped up the Austrian League during the lockout and obviously didn't get much of a fair shake with the the amount of depth the Wings have up front.

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02-22-2013, 07:16 PM
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A 2014 2nd??? Isn't Bishop worth a 2nd? Maybe they don't need another goalie, I don't know. But what is Hoffman worth? What is Da Costa worth? What is Condra worth? What is Boro, Petersson, Fatendresse & Regin worth?
I was exagerrating a bit. It had more to do with what Colorado is apprently asking for. It looks like thye are looking for 1-2 top prospects as well as a high pick. Just like another poster pointed out, Colorado is trying to get a return comparable to that of trading a 1st line centre.

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02-22-2013, 07:21 PM
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I'm definitely in the claiming Jan Mursak camp.. would be solid depth with all the injuries and think he definitely has potential.. he ripped up the Austrian League during the lockout and obviously didn't get much of a fair shake with the the amount of depth the Wings have up front.
Tearing up the Austrain league doesn't necessarily mean he can do the same in the NHL. Greening and Condra were tearing up their respective leagues in Europe during the lockout and neither are considerd high skill players.

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02-22-2013, 07:25 PM
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Tearing up the Austrain league doesn't necessarily mean he can do the same in the NHL. Greening and Condra were tearing up their respective leagues in Europe during the lockout and neither are considerd high skill players.
I think Condra and Greening are both pretty skilled. Greening is in a funk, and Condra just has no finish. If Condra had finish he'd be like a Jeff Skinner lite. Not that I'm advocating for picking this guy up.

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02-22-2013, 07:29 PM
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I think Condra and Greening are both pretty skilled. Greening is in a funk, and Condra just has no finish. If Condra had finish he'd be like a Jeff Skinner lite. Not that I'm advocating for picking this guy up.
I didn't say they weren't skilled, jut not highly skilled. A bit of a semantic issue here.

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02-22-2013, 07:39 PM
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Tearing up the Austrain league doesn't necessarily mean he can do the same in the NHL. Greening and Condra were tearing up their respective leagues in Europe during the lockout and neither are considerd high skill players.
obviously... But obviously the guy is definitely skilled.. I think it's just a matter of being in the right situation on the right team.

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Would we do an OReilly deal around Michalek?

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obviously... But obviously the guy is definitely skilled.. I think it's just a matter of being in the right situation on the right team.
If he can play top six then great, if not that I wouldn't be supportive of acquiring him. IMO we already have too many finesse, non physical, bottom sixers.

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Would we do an OReilly deal around Michalek?
I don't think so. Seems like a lateral move. I think O'Reilly is better than Michalek, but we need to improve our top 6 by more than just a marginal amount.

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Would we do an OReilly deal around Michalek?
I would, but I doubt Colorado would, unless the + is our 1st or a top prospect.

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Would we do an OReilly deal around Michalek?
With Michalek's injury history I think the Senators would consider it.

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I would, but I doubt Colorado would, unless the + is our 1st or a top prospect.
I still don't get this. Everyone says that O'Reilly would be overpaid at 5, and that Michalek is a steal at what, 4.3? How far apart can these two be when their dollar value is so close?

That just doesn't compute for me.

O'Reilly for Michalek and our first is us getting bent over.

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I still don't get this. Everyone says that O'Reilly would be overpaid at 5, and that Michalek is a steal at what, 4.3? How far apart can these two be when their dollar value is so close?

That just doesn't compute for me.

O'Reilly for Michalek and our first is us getting bent over.
Ryan O'Rielly makes his line-mates better players.

Milan Michalek needs his line-makes to make him look better then he is.

Michalek lacks the ability to create chances and opportunities on his own. ROR is pretty much the exact opposite.

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I still don't get this. Everyone says that O'Reilly would be overpaid at 5, and that Michalek is a steal at what, 4.3? How far apart can these two be when their dollar value is so close?

That just doesn't compute for me.

O'Reilly for Michalek and our first is us getting bent over.
We wouldn't be giving up a first round pick if we trade Michalek. RoR for Michalek is pretty close to equal value.

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ROR is better than Michalek. Not at goal scoring but play-making and defense he is. Plus Michaleks injuries.

Getting ROR with Michalek as the centerpiece is a steal.

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I still don't get this. Everyone says that O'Reilly would be overpaid at 5, and that Michalek is a steal at what, 4.3? How far apart can these two be when their dollar value is so close?

That just doesn't compute for me.

O'Reilly for Michalek and our first is us getting bent over.
People say Michalek is a steal? lol.

Michalek is 28, injury prone, and hasn't shown much here without Spezza. He's also a UFA after next season.

O'Reilly is 22 and came off a 55 point season, while playing a fantastic 2-way game. That kind of player is a lot more valuable.

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02-22-2013, 08:04 PM
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Real soon ROR will be a yearly nominee for the Selke.

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ottawa would never give up Michalek for ROR.

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ottawa would never give up Michalek for ROR.

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I would, but I doubt Colorado would, unless the + is our 1st or a top prospect.
No.

Primarily because the Sens don't need another center, they need proven top six wingers.

While they have Silf and possibly Zibby growing into top six roles, Alfie will retire at some point leaving only Michalek as a proven top six.

Of course the Sens could attempt to convert Turris or ROR to the wing, however I'm not convinced this is really a viable solution for the top six.

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Ryan O'Rielly makes his line-mates better players.

Milan Michalek needs his line-makes to make him look better then he is.

Michalek lacks the ability to create chances and opportunities on his own. ROR is pretty much the exact opposite.
Can RoR play wing?

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Can RoR play wing?
He would be a complete waste on wing. It'd be like putting Bergeron or Kesler on the wing.

ROR is so good at using his wingers and he's the guy you put head to head against a Crosby/Malkin/Stamkos etc.

If anything I would move Turris to wing before ROR.

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No.

Primarily because the Sens don't need another center, they need proven top six wingers.

While they have Silf and possibly Zibby growing into top six roles, Alfie will retire at some point leaving only Michalek as a proven top six.

Of course the Sens could attempt to convert Turris or ROR to the wing, however I'm not convinced this is really a viable solution for the top six.
We could use a playmaing winger though. At this point we only have Stone and possibly Hoffman in the system that fits that role. I don't know how well RoR can play on the wing but he could possibly fill that playmaking winger role when Alfie retires.

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Ryan O'Rielly makes his line-mates better players.

Milan Michalek needs his line-makes to make him look better then he is.

Michalek lacks the ability to create chances and opportunities on his own. ROR is pretty much the exact opposite.
That is your opinion, obviously Sherman doesn't necessarily agree.

I realize ROR is the latest and greatest, but somehow a player named Landeskog probably had a little to do with RORs success.

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