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02-21-2013, 10:02 PM
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Would any of you guys consider trading Perron for another center and a number 4 or 5 dman?

Perron and Russel to Washington for Laich and Poti/Hamrilik?

What would you guys think? Please don't flame me, this was just a little thought I had
No, and I'm not even a big Perron fan.

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02-22-2013, 12:15 AM
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Too sensitive? Martyr complex? I just don't understand the continued rudeness.

I'd rather stay on topic than try to play doctor so I'll cease and desist from this discussion.

Apologies to the forum. I didn't want this discussion to be about me but rather Ian Cole.
I said martyr complex because I calmly explained at the first response that what I mean by hating Ian Cole isn't what you were doing. Heck, I didn't even specify you. A normal person would understand that the complaints you made are standard complaints we all make about players all the time. Which I explained. Now for at least the third time. (Jesus H. Christ in a chicken basket, what drama.)


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Would any of you guys consider trading Perron for another center and a number 4 or 5 dman?

Perron and Russel to Washington for Laich and Poti/Hamrilik?

What would you guys think? Please don't flame me, this was just a little thought I had
I like your idea, but I think Hamrlik is done. Great player when he was younger. Never really thought much of Poti, but he had some good years. Maybe different team, same kind of deal.

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Would any of you guys consider trading Perron for another center and a number 4 or 5 dman?

Perron and Russel to Washington for Laich and Poti/Hamrilik?

What would you guys think? Please don't flame me, this was just a little thought I had
If we are moving Perron for a C, then it should either be 1-for-1 or us adding slightly. Targeting a lower level C to address 2 needs isn't going to help us long term.

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Would any of you guys consider trading Perron for another center and a number 4 or 5 dman?

Perron and Russel to Washington for Laich and Poti/Hamrilik?

What would you guys think? Please don't flame me, this was just a little thought I had
just no

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02-22-2013, 09:01 AM
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Here's a trade you can rip to shreds, but just a thought looking at both teams needs and strengths.

Package centering around

Weiss
Bjugstad

for

Perron
Schwartz
Schmaltz and/or Rattie

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Here's a trade you can rip to shreds, but just a thought looking at both teams needs and strengths.

Package centering around

Weiss
Bjugstad

for

Perron
Schwartz
Schmaltz and/or Rattie
I don't see enough difference between Perron and Weiss and Bjugstad and Schwartz that we'd have to include Schmaltz or Rattie.

Over his last 82 games, Perron has 31 goals and 60 points. Weiss is a good player but he isn't quite the #1 center we need. His best seasons are right around what Perron has done over his last 82 games. He is also an undersized center in Hitchcock's system.

Bjugstad is a very nice prospect. He is a guy I really liked in the 2010 draft and he hasn't disappointed. Schwartz is also a very nice young player but he is further along in his development. I think both have 50-60 point potential. They are a wash even though Schwartz is in the NHL. He should probably be in Peoria playing 15+ minutes a night.

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Here's a trade you can rip to shreds, but just a thought looking at both teams needs and strengths.

Package centering around

Weiss
Bjugstad

for

Perron
Schwartz
Schmaltz and/or Rattie

More like

Weiss
Kulikov
2nd

for

Perron
Schwartz
Schmaltz and/or Rattie

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More like

Weiss
Kulikov
2nd

for

Perron
Schwartz
Schmaltz and/or Rattie
What if you add Bjugstad back in and Cole/Russell on the Blues side? My thoughts are this would set the Blues up the middle. The Panthers have plenty of talent up the middle to trade. Bjugstad could even play in the playoffs when they are done with frozen 4. We have no centers in our talent pool. We have plenty of wingers. They lack a puck mover in their system too. Parayko could very well be our guy from last year's draft to fill that bill. My trade centers around acquiring Bjugstad. Weiss fills a center need. Kulikov would be a nice addition. Cole is growing on me, but Kulikov would unseat him.


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What if you add Bjugstad back in and Cole/Russell on the Blues side? My thoughts are this would set the Blues up the middle. The Panthers have plenty of talent up the middle to trade. Bjugstad could even play in the playoffs when they are done with frozen 4. We have no centers in our talent pool. We have plenty of wingers. They lack a puck mover in their system too. Parayko could very well be our guy from last year's draft to fill that bill. My trade centers around acquiring Bjugstad. Weiss fills a center need. Kulikov would be a nice addition. Cole is growing on me, but Kulikov would unseat him.
I can see adding Russel in the package but if you just wanted Bjugstad then you should of just asked for a puck mover and a pick. I don't think Bjugstad(or Weiss for that matter) is the center we need. That wont come without a huge free agent signing or trade. Kulikov is about the only player on their team that would make sense for the Blues right now and a must in a trade.

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I can see adding Russel in the package but if you just wanted Bjugstad then you should of just asked for a puck mover and a pick. I don't think Bjugstad(or Weiss for that matter) is the center we need. That wont come without a huge free agent signing or trade. Kulikov is about the only player on their team that would make sense for the Blues right now and a must in a trade.
You do know that Weiss is a faceoff specialist? and a 50 point guy to boot. Bjugstad is at worse case rated a #2 two way center. Plus a big body that bodes well in the playoffs. This could free Backes up next year to go to the wing where he really belongs, and is more effective.

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You do know that Weiss is a faceoff specialist? and a 50 point guy to boot. Bjugstad is at worse case rated a #2 two way center. Plus a big body that bodes well in the playoffs. This could free Backes up next year to go to the wing where he really belongs, and is more effective.
Bjugstad is basically Berglund 2.0. Weiss is good depth but not a stand out player that we absolutely need. We have a team full of Weiss' minus being a faceoff specialist. Backes is fine at center and should preferably be our #2. Weiss is absolutely an upgrade over Steen at center but that's about it.

If the Blues would be willing to fire a package like that there should be some quality and needs coming back.

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Fantastic.

The Blues lose a couple in a row and Perron is back on the market because he is clearly the biggest underachiever.

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I'm not a Perron hater. I just wanted see what you guys thought of the idea.

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I'm not a Perron hater. I just wanted see what you guys thought of the idea.

Why trade a young, cost-controlled, creative left winger in a deal for a lesser offensive player and a bottom-pairing defenseman? Unless the other team decides to give us a center with more value than Perron and throw in a decent defenseman, why would the Blues want to use a player like Perron in a deal where he is the best player in the deal?

I am getting tired of Perron being the player people are singling out to trade. He is not underproducing or doing anything other than what past seasons dictate he is capable of. The same complaints people have about him (streaky production, tries to make too many all-or-nothing plays rather than a simple low risk play) have been aspects of his game since he broke into the league. That's not to say he hasn't improved in other areas. He is stronger on the boards, better defensively, and a better point producer than when he started. To use a baseball analogy, Perron is one of those "free swingers" who strike out a ton in order to hit homeruns. As long as he is creating points, you have to expect the times where he looks foolish. I get a chuckle out of every GDT when someone gets mad at Perron for trying to do too much. It's like getting mad at Adam Dunn for striking out. Now if Perron stops scoring and getting assists, then I could see how people could say he is underperforming. Until then, he just is the player he is...and has always been.

The only main thing he seems to be much worse at lately is drawing penalties v taking unnecessary ones. My thought on that is probably that he has a reputation in the league now for doing some "chippy" and cheap things. Whereas before he may have been able to give a guy a little slash behind the game and get them to retaliate, now refs are catching him doing the stuff and he looks really bad.

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Wonder who's on the block.

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I'm sure we could be scouting Weiss. On the defensive side, Weaver and Kuba could be targets. Kulikov would only be involved in a bigger type deal, so it isn't likely.

I don't see the need to speculate about the Penguins.

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trading perron is dumb i hate all the guys who say "we need more grit, but god why can't our forwards score????" perron's one of our scorers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not to mention he's so strong on the puck and wins damn near every battle in the corner. But no when perron uses his hands to possess the puck and keep control he's being SELFISH, but when Berglund uses his BIG BODY to protect the puck everyone praises him and says oh it's just because he doesn't have a pure playmakers ability and he's working hard and controlling the puck he's awesome. c'mon now. Perron and Berglund are both really good players and were not trading either of them!!!!

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The rule is that every time the Blues lose two in a row, Perron must be traded because of the dangling.

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Something you have to live with around here, especially now.

Most of our players are very streaky and they always have been, Backes, Perron, and Stewart being the main ones. People need ot realize this and stop freaking out after every game that they don't light it up.

If Perron or another big name player is moved, it will be for someone of similar age, ability, and potential. It won't be for rentals, older players, or futures. A trade like this is very unlikely to actually happen.

What makes the most sense is adding another solid defenseman to the bunch, and a center that can score 50-60 points. A true #1 center simply is not realistic.

Weiss makes sense because he will only cost picks/prospects because he is an upcoming UFA and he isn't producing a lot right now. We won't have to give up any roster player IMO, and maybe we could resign him if we decide not to resign McDonald.

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The rule is that every time the Blues lose two in a row, Perron must be traded because of the dangling.
Well we obviously need more grit and less figure skating. We need a guy like Kelly Chase. That dude would never figure skate in his life.

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The rule is that every time the Blues lose two in a row, Perron must be traded because of the dangling.

Amen. When Pavol Demitra played here (RIP) there was a portion of the fan base that wanted to run him out on a rail whenever the team did poorly because he was also "too fancy".

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Well we obviously need more grit and less figure skating. We need a guy like Kelly Chase. That dude would never figure skate in his life.
Yeah...I got that. Good one.

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I think the Weiss trade ideas are too complicated trying to add Bjugstad and/or Kulikov (both nice pieces). Just rent Weiss for a rental price. I'd give them a 2d and Lehtera.

three two-way second lines:

Steen-Backes-Oshie
McDonald-Weiss-Perron
Schwartz-Berglund-Stewart
Sobotka-Nichol-Reaves
D'Agostini, Porter, Tarasenko (IR)

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