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02-23-2013, 12:42 AM
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Uhh... no. That wouldn't get you either alone.
I swear, some of you guys want Crosby, Malkin, and 3 1st round picks for Iginla.

Joking aside, a lot of you guys want more for Iginla than any UFA to be has gotten in return in the history of the league. If that pick is a 1st, that deal is better than what Hossa or Kovalchuk got in return and Iginla is not as good of a player as they were when they got traded. No team is going to give up that for Iginla. The GM would have to be fired if they did.

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02-23-2013, 12:47 AM
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I think NSH would like Cammy, i'd be willing to give up Blum+

Also interested in Stempniak....

what do you think for both?

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02-23-2013, 12:49 AM
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I swear, some of you guys want Crosby, Malkin, and 3 1st round picks for Iginla.

Joking aside, a lot of you guys want more for Iginla than any UFA to be has gotten in return in the history of the league. If that pick is a 1st, that deal is better than what Hossa or Kovalchuk got in return and Iginla is not as good of a player as they were when they got traded. No team is going to give up that for Iginla. The GM would have to be fired if they did.
The only piece of value in that offer is the 1st. Knight and Caron look like they might be fine bottom 6 players (well, Caron, Knight probably won't make the NHL). We have plenty of grinding prospects. We want prospects with top 6 forward or top 4 defence potential. Boychuk is obviously an overpaid cap dump that provides no value to a rebuilding Flames team.

That offer is absolutely terrible for Iginla and Bouwmeester. The 1st + Maatta offer was twice as good.

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02-23-2013, 12:51 AM
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As a Leafs fan, I would take a shot at Glencross.

To Calgary:
F Joe Colborne
D Mike Komisarek w/retained salary
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02-23-2013, 12:55 AM
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As a Leafs fan, I would take a shot at Glencross.

To Calgary:
F Joe Colborne
D Mike Komisarek w/retained salary
Late round pick
Again. Awful.

1st + prospect. Glencross makes $2.55M for the next 3 years and has put up ~25 goals the last two seasons (and is on pace to do so again this season), while being a great PKer, etc.

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Cory Sarich for a 4th

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02-23-2013, 01:00 AM
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What the hell are you talking about?

The Flames have a lot of young goaltending talent. Bernier is no more special than somebody like Ramo. It would be a waste of an asset when you already have 4 or 5 goaltenders in the system that could play in the NHL.

Bernier isn't going to suddenly turn into a star. He's a career backup goaltender.

Puckgenius is no genius. If we trade Giordano, it should be to the Blues for something around 1st + Rattie.
24 years old, behind one of the best goalies in the league and he's labeled a "career backup"? Brilliant

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02-23-2013, 01:05 AM
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24 years old, behind one of the best goalies in the league and he's labeled a "career backup"? Brilliant
If Jonathan Bernier could realistically get you Mark Giordano, do you really think he wouldn't have already been traded?

Or perhaps Lombardi is holding out for a better deal. That must be why he hasn't been traded. Giordano + 1st?

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02-23-2013, 01:11 AM
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I have 2 proposals:

Iginla to pits for morrow, Kennedy, 1st

Nick leddy, Corey Crawford for kiprusoff

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02-23-2013, 01:13 AM
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Again. Awful.

1st + prospect. Glencross makes $2.55M for the next 3 years and has put up ~25 goals the last two seasons (and is on pace to do so again this season), while being a great PKer, etc.
You aren't going to get that for Glencross.

It would be like asking that for Clarke MacArthur. 20 goals is important in this league, I'm not trying to diminish that, but giving up Joe Colborne isn't just a throw in.

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02-23-2013, 01:15 AM
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You aren't going to get that for Glencross.

It would be like asking that for Clarke MacArthur. 20 goals is important in this league, I'm not trying to diminish that, but giving up Joe Colborne isn't just a throw in.
Flames have no need for Komisarek, no need for a likely bust in Colbourne and a late pick isn't exactly enticing.

Flames can easily do better than that offer.

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02-23-2013, 01:19 AM
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You aren't going to get that for Glencross.

It would be like asking that for Clarke MacArthur. 20 goals is important in this league, I'm not trying to diminish that, but giving up Joe Colborne isn't just a throw in.
Clarke MacArthur? You mean one-dimensional, making $3.25M on an expiring contract Clarke MacArthur?

Yeah, he's really comparable to Glencross.

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I have 2 proposals:

Iginla to pits for morrow, Kennedy, 1st

Nick leddy, Corey Crawford for kiprusoff
no to the first just because it involves Morrow and the Pens shouldn't move their best prospect for a 35-year-old impending UFA winger

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As a Leafs fan, I would take a shot at Glencross.

To Calgary:
F Joe Colborne
D Mike Komisarek w/retained salary
Late round pick
That's awful.

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02-23-2013, 01:28 AM
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As a Leafs fan, I would take a shot at Glencross.

To Calgary:
F Joe Colborne
D Mike Komisarek w/retained salary
Late round pick
This is awful.

Colborne is boarding bust/AHL lifer
Komisarek can't make the Leafs roster
Late round pick speaks for itself....

homer.

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02-23-2013, 01:43 AM
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Cory Sarich for a 4th
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The Anton for "future considerations"?
I guess these are not sexy names for you, or you don't give crap about the returns?
I will take it as a yes. Can you drive Babchuck to the airport for me?

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02-23-2013, 01:45 AM
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I think NSH would like Cammy, i'd be willing to give up Blum+

Also interested in Stempniak....

what do you think for both?
Cammy at half salary + Stempniak for Blum + Budish/Watson. It's a high price but Cammy at 3 mill is a steal

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02-23-2013, 02:44 AM
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This is awful.

Colborne is boarding bust/AHL lifer
Komisarek can't make the Leafs roster
Late round pick speaks for itself....

homer.
I thought we were making realistic Calgary trades?

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Flames should keep Giordano and GlenX. They're young enough to lead the rebuild and solid core-type players on good contracts, who can lead by example.

Can't sell everyone.

Also, they really should have traded Kipper last season.

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02-23-2013, 03:02 AM
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Cole + Rattie for Giordano. Young, improving top 4 dman (Cole is getting #4 minutes behind the obvious Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk and Jackman) + top prospect. Flames save money too. Cole is due a contract but is only about to graduate as an HF prospect.

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02-23-2013, 04:19 AM
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As a flames hater... Glenx is underrated and JBo will not be traded (unless they keep cap)

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02-23-2013, 04:39 AM
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2013 BOS 1st
Caron or Knight
Khohklachev or Subban

What is the type of package CGY is looking for in return for Iggy just to see what the deal is looking at? Take off the homer glasses and just give a real adjusted value of what you think Feaster would probably do it for. Also what's the possibilty of a sign and trade? How many prospcts is Calgary really looking to get in return?

No Hamiliton in the deal. He's really no longer a prospect.

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02-23-2013, 05:23 AM
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Calgary can either do it right and do it this year... or management can make a "push" like the leafs kept doing and then eventually everyone retires, hits free agency, looses value. Calgary management better have the stones to do this.

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02-23-2013, 06:58 AM
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The only piece of value in that offer is the 1st. Knight and Caron look like they might be fine bottom 6 players (well, Caron, Knight probably won't make the NHL). We have plenty of grinding prospects. We want prospects with top 6 forward or top 4 defence potential. Boychuk is obviously an overpaid cap dump that provides no value to a rebuilding Flames team.

That offer is absolutely terrible for Iginla and Bouwmeester. The 1st + Maatta offer was twice as good.
You are so far off base it isn't worth arguing and while it might not be enough for both, you said it wasn't enough for either.

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02-23-2013, 07:06 AM
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Iginla was the same to Dallas. When you have legitimate chances at the Cup, that's what it's all about. Iginla is going to bring a premium.
The difference is that Nieuwendyk was 29 when traded for Iginla. Iginla is now 35. A 29 year old Iggy gets you more than a 35 year old Iggy. Seems pretty obvious.

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