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02-22-2013, 04:34 PM
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Ryder won't fetch a 1st from Pittsburgh. Shero needs to draft more another quality D prospect.

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You can manage to ask for it, getting it from Shero would be another.
Yeah. Pens can afford to give up a lot of things when it comes to picks, prospects etc. because they'll still be good for years to come either way but that doesn't mean they will. They aren't running a charity to just give things away. A 2nd and a low ceiling prospect and that's it. It's fair for an almost 33 year old rental that is very unlikely to be retained after the season. If Dallas can get more from someone else then let him go somewhere else.

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You can manage to ask for it, getting it from Shero would be another.
I don't understand how Dumoulin and a 2nd would be fine (Other Penguins fans in this thread have said that) but not a late first.

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I would rather have Brendan Morrow, if that is cool.

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I would rather have Brendan Morrow, if that is cool.
You can have them both if you're willing to pay.

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ryder + morrow for morrow + 1st

Niskanen is still negative value to me, so don't include him in any trades with Dallas. (my opinion)

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02-22-2013, 05:09 PM
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Don't want Niskanen back in Dallas either. His time here is over and Dallas will only mess up the progress he's made.

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02-22-2013, 05:11 PM
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ryder + morrow for morrow + 1st

Niskanen is still negative value to me, so don't include him in any trades with Dallas. (my opinion)
I would give neither a 1st nor our Morrow for Ryder alone, so I am simply marveling at the value you think your Morrow has.

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02-22-2013, 05:13 PM
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ryder + morrow for morrow + 1st

Niskanen is still negative value to me, so don't include him in any trades with Dallas. (my opinion)
Theres no way Pittsburgh does that.

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02-22-2013, 05:14 PM
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No need to get ridiculous, 2 UFAs for a PMD and more isnt that bad
You do realize Niskanen wasn't fitting here and that's why we traded him as a throw-in in that deal, right? It's not just a PMD for 2 UFA's as you so succinctly put it.

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Pens might be able to do a PMD but I dont see Dallas getting a first for Ryder.
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It should only take a 2nd at most to get Ryder. He's a UFA....and it's not like he's Iginla/Perry who actually mean a lot to their teams. There's no doubt that Ryder not going to back to Dallas. The only thing that would make getting him cost more than a 2nd is to outbid another team.

By the way, I'm not sure stars want to deal with the pens after fleecing them two years ago. Unless its an overpayment
I don't understand this mindset. Gaustad got a 1st last year blah blah blah, but Ryder is coming off a 35 goal year, which followed a year in which he had a very strong playoffs and won a cup. Take a peek at the standings and how compressed teams are. With 48 games how many teams are going to be out of things and willing to sell guys of Ryder's quality? How many teams are going to think adding Ryder's shot and playoff experience is enough to get them over the hump? GMJN should be able to get a 1st without much trouble.

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02-22-2013, 05:16 PM
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I'd be surprised if Morrow could fetch a 1st at this stage of his career. I think his value is a 2nd.

Michael Ryder can definitely fetch a late 1st, but that pick won't be coming from the Pens.

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02-22-2013, 05:28 PM
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I don't understand this mindset. Gaustad got a 1st last year blah blah blah, but Ryder is coming off a 35 goal year, which followed a year in which he had a very strong playoffs and won a cup. Take a peek at the standings and how compressed teams are. With 48 games how many teams are going to be out of things and willing to sell guys of Ryder's quality? How many teams are going to think adding Ryder's shot and playoff experience is enough to get them over the hump? GMJN should be able to get a 1st without much trouble.
No I get what you're saying. I emphasized " should" . That all it should take is a 2nd rounder, but that means nothing if there are other teams desperate for scoring and are willing to offer more. Let me add , this is the one draft year where people are afraid to give away their first because of how deep it is in forward talent( obviously more enticing for pens fans) .

Any other draft year, I would easily give up a first round for Ryder....IF he was our best option. If we can't get Iginla , Chris Stewart, few others.

That's where I stand.

And yeah I certainly don't blame any stars fans for not wanting Nisky back. That's kind of a slap in the face. I will also say, after reading this crazy ass trade forum the past couple weeks...stars fanbase is by far the least delusional.

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02-22-2013, 05:37 PM
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I'd want Morrow from the Pens for Ryder. I'd also consider Despres. Dallas needs a defenseman not another forward though for the right forward I'd certainly consider it.
Pens management is high on both defensemen. Can't see them moving either for a rental forward.

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I don't understand this mindset. Gaustad got a 1st last year blah blah blah, but Ryder is coming off a 35 goal year, which followed a year in which he had a very strong playoffs and won a cup. Take a peek at the standings and how compressed teams are. With 48 games how many teams are going to be out of things and willing to sell guys of Ryder's quality? How many teams are going to think adding Ryder's shot and playoff experience is enough to get them over the hump? GMJN should be able to get a 1st without much trouble.
NSH, if playoff-bound, ought to be our target then. They're always on the lookout for extra scoring and will probably pay a good price for getting that guy. Can't expect them to give back any prospects in return, however.

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Would Dallas be interested in Matt Niskanen?

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02-22-2013, 06:05 PM
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If Ryder signed with Pitts, I think he would be a great winger for Crosby, but They shouldn't give a 1st for a rental.

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Would Dallas be interested in Matt Niskanen?
Personally yes, organization will probably say no.

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Even after 5 years, it's weird to see a Ryder proposal without Halak and a 2nd

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Harrington/Dumoulin and a 2nd is definitely enough to rent Ryder. I'm not too crazy about Kühnhackl. I doubt anyone offers a 1st in this draft for him but occasionally GMs make dumb desperate trades.

I personally don't believe Ryder is the caliber of rental to get a 1st rounder back. If he was we'd be clamoring to resign him.

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02-22-2013, 09:16 PM
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I don't understand how Dumoulin and a 2nd would be fine (Other Penguins fans in this thread have said that) but not a late first.
Because you're not properly understanding how they value Dumoulin. And by they, i mean the Penguins organization.

Pens fans have been fine with trading Harrington, Despres, Maatta, etc... for the right guy.

A Ryder Rental doesn't fit that bill. I can't imagine Shero would move any of the big 6 (Despres, Morrow, Harrington, Dumoulin, Maatta, Pouliot) for Ryder. I'd be shocked. Literally. Because I'd stick my finger in a socket.

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I wouldn't give Harrington or Dumoulin alone for a rental unless the rental was elite but then there would obviously have to be a lot added onto Harrington and Dumoulin.

Dumoulin is a first year pro that's already doing great and playing huge minutes in the AHL. He's actually more NHL ready than Joe Morrow and some talent evaluators actually think he will become the best player that the Pens got in the Staal deal. He just has more two-way upside as opposed to the gamebreaker offensive upside that Morrow has. Morrow is the better prospect though especially if he can figure out the defensive part of things. His offense is probably already NHL ready.

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LOLing at the idea of asking for Eriksson for Joe Morrow.

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LOLing at the idea of asking for Eriksson for Joe Morrow.
I'm pretty sure he meant a package deal. Morrow being part of that package.

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I'd rather give a 1st for Ryder than a 2nd + Harrington (or Dumoulin).

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