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Somethings gotta give in Toronto.. Carolina?

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02-22-2013, 10:34 PM
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02-22-2013, 10:38 PM
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If the Hurricanes want a steady, defensive Top 4 D-man, Gunnarsson and Kostka would be the Leafs' best options to offer.

Something like

Gunnarrsson OR Kostka + 2nd round pick for Victor Rask + 3rd round pick might work for both parties?
Kostka isn't a steady defensive top 4 dman. Gunnarsson is, but I don't see why we would move him unless it improves our team.

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02-22-2013, 10:44 PM
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Kostka isn't a steady defensive top 4 dman. Gunnarsson is, but I don't see why we would move him unless it improves our team.
Well Gunnarsson's certainly more proven as a Top 4 D, yeah.

And I don't see how adding centre depth (our weakest area) doesn't improve the Leafs?

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After Liles goes another 30 games in the press box?

You need to consider this, the guy is losing value by the day.
You're really not thinking this through...

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02-22-2013, 11:18 PM
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To be honest, I'd probably take a chance on Komisarek. Two years at $4.5 million isn't really that bad of a contract. He'd cost us next to nothing either, unlike Liles or Gunnarsson.

We did something similar with Bryan Allen a couple years ago.

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02-22-2013, 11:42 PM
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To be honest, I'd probably take a chance on Komisarek. Two years at $4.5 million isn't really that bad of a contract. He'd cost us next to nothing either, unlike Liles or Gunnarsson.

We did something similar with Bryan Allen a couple years ago.
He actually makes $3.5m this year and next. Front-loaded contract with a $4.5m cap hit.

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Yep I would go with Komisarek, I feel we're really missing Allen's shot blocking especially on the PK and he would come cheaper

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02-23-2013, 02:57 AM
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Well Gunnarsson's certainly more proven as a Top 4 D, yeah.

And I don't see how adding centre depth (our weakest area) doesn't improve the Leafs?
Victor Rask is a 19 year old prospect playing in the WHL.

Our center depth is not as bad as you seem to think. Sure we are lacking the top end centers, but our depth is fine.

Grabo
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Yep I would go with Komisarek, I feel we're really missing Allen's shot blocking especially on the PK and he would come cheaper
Yeah, Komisarek brings a few things the Canes in general lack- he puts some size and grit on the back end, and we've been suffering from a lack of that this season.

If he comes at a reasonable price, that would be a good move for the Canes.

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Victor Rask is a 19 year old prospect playing in the WHL.

Our center depth is not as bad as you seem to think. Sure we are lacking the top end centers, but our depth is fine.

Grabo
Kadri
Bozak
McClement
Steckel
If we could get Rask by trading Liles then we should jump on it.

Grabo and Kadri is the only 2 top six centers with a long term future with us.
Bottom sixer Steckel will be gone after this season, McClement is a defensive center and Bozak who I like very much is not a sure thing of resigning with us. He might join Colorado (where he went to college) or join up with Anaheim now when Burke is with their organization. I am sure he has put in a good word for him.

We really need a prospect like Victor Rask, a center with potential. Sure, we have Colborne but I am not very hopeful about him. He got the tools but dont use them.

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02-23-2013, 07:36 AM
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Well Gunnarsson's certainly more proven as a Top 4 D, yeah.

And I don't see how adding centre depth (our weakest area) doesn't improve the Leafs?
Depth at centre is not even close to an issue for us. We've got Bozak, Grabovski, Kadri, McClement, Steckel and Connolly.

A WHL-calibre centre is not going to improve this team.

We don't NEED a prospect like Viktor Rask. It would be nice to have, but what we NEED, is a playoff berth.

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02-23-2013, 08:04 AM
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I hope Nonis isn't stupid. Trading with Carolina is not an option unless they overpay.

Carolina is a team that could easily be fighting the Leafs for the last two playoff spots.

If Tampa gets hot, the division will be between Carolina and Tampa...the team that doesn't win the division could end up kicking the Leafs out of a playoff spot knowing our luck.

Trade Liles, Komisarek or any other defenseman that needs to be traded to the West.

The only teams in the East the Leafs can afford to trade with are the teams that are locks for the playoffs (Pittsburgh, Boston, NJ etc).

How does Liles for a 2nd round pick help the Leafs? That trade could easily be made with the Blues too.

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02-23-2013, 09:08 AM
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If the Leafs are able to avoid injuries on their defense, then they will need to move a defenseman to make room for Gardiner. I think that Liles is the logical choice. Carlyle likes size and with Gardiner now and Rielly in the pipeline, there will be less and less room on the roster for Liles.

I do not see the need to rush to make a move. As the trade deadline approaches, there will be more and more teams looking for an experienced, puck-moving defenseman. The price can only go up.

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02-23-2013, 09:33 AM
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I hope Nonis isn't stupid. Trading with Carolina is not an option unless they overpay.

Carolina is a team that could easily be fighting the Leafs for the last two playoff spots.

If Tampa gets hot, the division will be between Carolina and Tampa...the team that doesn't win the division could end up kicking the Leafs out of a playoff spot knowing our luck.

Trade Liles, Komisarek or any other defenseman that needs to be traded to the West.

The only teams in the East the Leafs can afford to trade with are the teams that are locks for the playoffs (Pittsburgh, Boston, NJ etc).

How does Liles for a 2nd round pick help the Leafs? That trade could easily be made with the Blues too.
if its just komisarek then no big deal

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02-23-2013, 10:00 AM
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if its just komisarek then no big deal
He'd probably score the game winner that knocks us out to be honest...

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02-23-2013, 10:13 AM
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He'd probably score the game winner that knocks us out to be honest...
That could happen with anybody we trade.

I'd like to see Komi and Liles go way before Gunnarsson, though.

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Depth at centre is not even close to an issue for us. We've got Bozak, Grabovski, Kadri, McClement, Steckel and Connolly.

A WHL-calibre centre is not going to improve this team.

We don't NEED a prospect like Viktor Rask. It would be nice to have, but what we NEED, is a playoff berth.
Lol, guys like Steckel and Connolly do not count as "centre depth"

What we should be concerned about is our lack of Top 6-upside centre prospects moving forward. Colborne is still questionable, and that leaves who? Greg Mckegg?

There's no piece on the Hurricanes roster that they'll give up to help us make the playoffs. What does our roster even need to "make the playoffs" that we don't already have?

We should be looking at the future. That's where Rask comes into play. I know you have a huge man crush on Gunnarsson, but you shouldn't let that blind your decision making.

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Gunnarsson is still young, and will be a part of the future for the leafs going forward. There's absolutely no reason to trade him, especially for a prospect that's several years away from the NHL.

If the Canes want Komi, they can have him. He needs a fresh start, sounds like a win/win.

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02-23-2013, 11:14 AM
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Lol, guys like Steckel and Connolly do not count as "centre depth"

What we should be concerned about is our lack of Top 6-upside centre prospects moving forward. Colborne is still questionable, and that leaves who? Greg Mckegg?

There's no piece on the Hurricanes roster that they'll give up to help us make the playoffs. What does our roster even need to "make the playoffs" that we don't already have?

We should be looking at the future. That's where Rask comes into play. I know you have a huge man crush on Gunnarsson, but you shouldn't let that blind your decision making.
Guys like Steckel and Connolly are absolutely centre depth. Connolly's a guy who can easily step into our top 9 in case of injury, and Steckel is a valuable faceoff guy on the 4th line. How many teams can say that they have 5 centres capable of playing top 9 roles, and a 4th line specialist?

What we should be concerned about is making the playoffs. "more upside" amongst prospects is not going to help do that.

The Hurricanes aren't going to give up pieces to help us, which is why they're not in a position to trade for JML until at least the deadline.


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Gunnarsson is still young, and will be a part of the future for the leafs going forward. There's absolutely no reason to trade him, especially for a prospect that's several years away from the NHL.

If the Canes want Komi, they can have him. He needs a fresh start, sounds like a win/win.
And if Toronto snags a 3rd in the process, then Hallejujah.

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The only teams the Leafs should be looking to deal with this season are in the West, unless of course the Canes offer a package that simply cannot be refused (which is very unlikely). Komisarek to the Canes makes sense in the offseason. Komisarek and or Liles to Detroit at the deadline also makes sense.

One point that I didn't read in this entire thread is that while it would be nice for the Leafs to dump both contracts (for future cap space and the ability to pursue Getzlaf / Perry in the offseason), trading assets at the point of their lowest value is terrible asset management.

It would also be wise to hang onto both players in this shortened season when injuries will take much longer than usual to recover from (especially when they force themselves to play through bumps and bruises that would otherwise keep them out of the lineup, but play in fear of losing their spot in the lineup, prolonging the recovery and raising the probability of making the injury worse). Games will be played at a clip that most if not all of the Leafs players have never played at. Komisarek and Liles could be necessary evils to keep in the press box until the offseason (as in not dealt at or before the deadline for the sake of keeping liquid depth).

Furthermore, while Carolina and Toronto as trade partners make so much sense in terms of the needs and liquid assets of both organizations that its almost mind-numbing that a trade hasn't already taken place, they could very likely be the team to bump Toronto out of the playoffs if their needs are met. Komisarek brings exactly what Carolina is lacking and would only make that team more of a threat to the Leafs. This trade makes so much sense, but only in the offseason.


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02-23-2013, 12:13 PM
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The only teams the Leafs should be looking to deal with this season are in the West, unless of course the Canes offer a package that simply cannot be refused (which is very unlikely). Komisarek to the Canes makes sense in the offseason. Komisarek and or Liles to Detroit at the deadline also makes sense.

One point that I didn't read in this entire thread is that while it would be nice for the Leafs to dump both contracts (for future cap space and the ability to pursue Getzlaf / Perry in the offseason), trading assets at the point of their lowest value is terrible asset management.

It would also be wise to hang onto both players in this shortened season when injuries will take much longer than usual to recover from (especially when they force themselves to play through bumps and bruises that would otherwise keep them out of the lineup, but play in fear of losing their spot in the lineup, prolonging the recovery and raising the probability of making the injury worse). Games will be played at a clip that most if not all of the Leafs players have never played at. Komisarek and Liles could be necessary evils to keep in the press box until the offseason (as in not dealt at or before the deadline for the sake of keeping liquid depth).

Furthermore, while Carolina and Toronto as trade partners make so much sense in terms of the needs and liquid assets of both organizations that its almost mind-numbing that a trade hasn't already taken place, they could very likely be the team to bump Toronto out of the playoffs if their needs are met. Komisarek brings exactly what Carolina is lacking and would only make that team more of a threat to the Leafs. This trade makes so much sense, but only in the offseason.
Liles will have higher value leading up the deadline than at the draft/off season.

The Leafs have Gardiner ready to go in the minors plus Komi and Liles sitting in the pressbox. Something has to give.

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Liles will have higher value leading up the deadline than at the draft/off season.

The Leafs have Gardiner ready to go in the minors plus Komi and Liles sitting in the pressbox. Something has to give.
For whatever reason, I guess it's just me and you that think this.. Weird.

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I was thinking maybe a team like the Rangers or Predators would be interested in Liles to try to fix their bad PP.

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For whatever reason, I guess it's just me and you that think this.. Weird.
Do you really believe that?

The Leafs are sitting in a playoff spot right now. They are 7-3 in their last 10. They are tied for 4th in terms of goal differential. If there's something that "has to give", it's certainly not urgent, and certainly doesn't need to be off of our 23 man roster.

Liles & Komisarek are sitting in the pressbox because the Leafs top 9 defensive bodies are all healthy. Probability dictates, that isn't going to hold true for very long. Toronto's currently experiencing it with Lupul & Frattin injured, it just so happens those 2 are wingers.

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