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02-23-2013, 11:59 AM
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I'd rather just wait until he's a UFA this summer.
That's what I was thinking too.

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I agree with Hold your breath

He's good/OK defensively - at the junior level.

He has two-way potential... but what's holding him back right now (what needs to improve) is his defensive play.

Just because he only got 12 points in his first OHL year, it doesn't mean he was ever a defensive d-man.


That said I don't want him traded. If he can get his head screwed on straight, he's a mini Doughty in the making.

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I would absolutely do that. Where are you going to find a ROR equivalent UFA? It just doesn't happen, and when it does they don't come to Ottawa. Especially not a 22 year old version of that player who has the chance to grow and develop under our system with our players. Chemistry is underrated in sports.
There are 29 teams that won't have ROR, these teams will find ways to be competitive without him.

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That said I don't want him traded. If he can get his head screwed on straight, he's a mini Doughty in the making.
He's bigger than Doughty.

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02-23-2013, 12:06 PM
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I agree with Hold your breath

He's good/OK defensively - at the junior level.

He has two-way potential... but what's holding him back right now (what needs to improve) is his defensive play.

Just because he only got 12 points in his first OHL year, it doesn't mean he was ever a defensive d-man.


That said I don't want him traded. If he can get his head screwed on straight, he's a mini Doughty in the making.
Geez hope I didn't imply I thought he should be traded, under no circumstances would I want that to occur.

Ceci has all the physical tools to be a very good NHL defenceman, a year with Richardson will bring major improvements in Ceci's game.

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02-23-2013, 12:11 PM
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There are 29 teams that won't have ROR, these teams will find ways to be competitive without him.
You seem to think the Sens dont need fixing...Next year with no Gonchar and older Alfie and Philly this team might take a step back..

Who knows if Spezza's back will hold up or Cowens's hip..

We can't count on all our prospects too pan out..

You make great points love readying your reply's here on this board.

But not for this year but next, what steps would you take to improve this team? Because frankly i could see them taking a step backwards..

We have a great core Turris,Spezza,Karlsson,Cowen,Andy..

And great prospects Bishop,Lehner,Noesen,Zibby,Ceci,Silf,Puemple and others ....Its ok too trade a couple to improve the core..ROR is that guy..

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We can't count on all our prospects too pan out...
I dunno, it seems to be working out pretty well right now.

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All you are doing is quoting and stat watching. Did you watch him play at all in Ottawa? Yes, he became a very potent offensive defenceman, but the reality is that his defensive instincts are good. Almost every defenceman in the league needs to take time when they are young to work on their decision making and "play away from the puck". They aren't directly criticizing his defensive play -- he's smart, and he plays well in his own zone. He isn't physical, but he has never been a physical guy.

Plus, I never said that he was some defensive stalwart right now anyway. Just that he was originally a defensive defenceman (which he was). He understands the defensive side of the game, but he gave some of that up when transitioning to a more offensive style. Karlsson was the same way can we not agree that he has shown to have a ton of defensive ability now?
Hold on a second, if I quote what a professional NHL GM or head of a scouting department for and NHL says, you don't consider that valid input to this discussion?

I used Ceci's stats from midget that clearly shows he had offensive capability long before he turned 18, which was when you claimed he discovered this ability.

Lastly, yes I watched Ceci play for the 67s for the past three years and everything I have said about him is my opinion based on what I have seen.

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I dunno, it seems to be working out pretty well right now.
Goaltending will do that..Hope it keeps up..My point is you wont have room for all of them..Guys like DD,Daug,Benoit,Grant,Lats and a few others wont even be on this team next year..

Hey guys like Silf,Zibby,Wier,Bishop and Gryba have really stepped up..The young ones are the strength of this team..

But if you could trade for ROR and a Yandle i would, im thinking next year...

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02-23-2013, 12:32 PM
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But if you could trade for ROR and a Yandle i would, im thinking next year...
Sure, next year. Moves for next year will be made in the offseason. Free agents, trades etc. Much easier in the summer.

As you said, those young players are the strength of this team. We'd have to give up many of them to get players like Yandle or O'Reilly.

Just wondering with Yandle, where do Cowen and Methot stand if he was brought in? Who's getting put out of position and who's going on the third pairing? Phillips could play the right side, but I'd rather him not. I like our left side as is tbh. Wier can play both sides as we've seen and Boro is waiting in Bingo.

Has Yandle ever played the right side? (besides PP)

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02-23-2013, 12:45 PM
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I'm on the side of not making a trde until the deadline, draft or signing a UFA this summer. Why lose some of our good young talent when maybe there is a deal to be made without losing our best prospects later. I would much rather trade away the second tier of players/prospects that we might not need, Daugavins, Regin, Condra, Latendresse, Lundin, Gonchar, Da Costa, Bishop, Hoffman, Boroweicki, Petersson etc... and if they don't get you a ROR then get a few more draft picks for some of them.

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Plays at 1:30 (undressing the Norris winner that season) and 1:45 are ridiculous.

Ryan O'Reilly is just such a good player. Even his shot has improved a lot. His passing is great, great hockey sense...but I find just the way he tracks the puck is unreal.
Great highlights.

Having said that, no way we trade a young stud in Cowen for RoR, especially when Ottawa doesn’t have another Cowen in the system. Sky is the limit for the 20 year old defenceman.

Silf is already a comparable forward - even if the early numbers don’t reflect that yet.

Zibby is only 19. Plenty of room to grow.

Turris is the de facto 2nd line centre behind Spezza.

I would love RoR , but I suspect other teams can offer up a better package than Ottawa can afford.

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02-23-2013, 02:05 PM
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Would anyone be on board with a deal centred around Bishop and Paajarvi?

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02-23-2013, 02:10 PM
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You seem to think the Sens dont need fixing...Next year with no Gonchar and older Alfie and Philly this team might take a step back..

Who knows if Spezza's back will hold up or Cowens's hip..

We can't count on all our prospects too pan out..

You make great points love readying your reply's here on this board.

But not for this year but next, what steps would you take to improve this team? Because frankly i could see them taking a step backwards..

We have a great core Turris,Spezza,Karlsson,Cowen,Andy..

And great prospects Bishop,Lehner,Noesen,Zibby,Ceci,Silf,Puemple and others ....Its ok too trade a couple to improve the core..ROR is that guy..
Sorry if I left you with the impression that the team doesn't need upgrades, it definite does to be a contender.

I have indicated many times I think the Sens need to improve the top six wingers and right side of their D corps.

IMO the biggest gains are achieved by addressing the weakest links. In the Sens case, one or two top six wingers, ideally one would fit the description of a power forward, and one right D.

Should Alfie retire Silf could be moved back to the right side.

Like many I could give you my wish list, but of course reality is slightly different than dreaming.

Ideally I would like to see one or two of the spots filled with UFA(s), therefore allowing the Sens more time for the prospects to develop before making significant moves involving them.

Trading prospects for proven players generally results in overpayment, the further along the development curve the better in terms of value.

My first choice UFA would be Streit from NYI, then if at all possible a winger that would fit with Spezza.

As a stop gap a trade for a more establish winger, like Havlat, though he isn't the ideal in my mind. A move like this would bridge the gap until Zibanejad or possibly another prospect is ready for the top six. It is worth noting here that several teams will have to shed salary to get to the 2013-14 cap, possibly a player of value will become available.

I do agree all the prospects won't pan out or meet expectations, it is safe to expect one or two out of the long list consisting of Boro, Hoffman, Stone, Da Costa, Noesen, Puempel, Claesson, Prince, Pageau, Lehner etc etc will make it to the NHL.

This leaves Bishop, Greening, JOB, Daugavins, Regin and Latendresse to be moved.

Of this group Greening would be the most difficult to let go, but if he doesn't bring the physical aspects of his game consistently, he really doesn't provide great value.

My apologies, but I don't deal with what ifs, at best it only creates circular arguments. Any player in the NHL can suffer injury, there is little any GM can do other than build depth into the organization.

Losing a player like Karlsson, Spezza or Cowen under any circumstances is virtually impossible to replace, or would require such overpayment it would not warrant the move.


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Would anyone be on board with a deal centred around Bishop and Paajarvi?
How is his two way game?

If we land a player like ROR and put Silf on his wing it would be awesome to have another great two way player on the other side.


But I think we should pimp Bishop out while Andy is down, maybe we can trade him for a higher worth if he plays lights out.

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I'm beginning to think that you have to recharacterize MPS' development into a defensive specialist.

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I'm beginning to think that you have to recharacterize MPS' development into a defensive specialist.
Yeah, if you are trading for a third line guy with speed and decent size then it's a decent trade.

If you are trading for a guy to score - forget it.

It was the concern going into the draft and it has come true. He has no finish.

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Id trade Bishop str8 up for MPS but not add.

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MPS put up 35 pts in his rookie season

i think he is being pigeon holed in edmonton

wouldnt mind getting him

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I would love to acquire Roy. Above a 65 point pace every year since the lockout besides last, played on some really good teams... I suspect the cost would be relatively high. Probably Greening + or a 2nd + prospect.
I'm sure Murray will at least kick the tires. He loves his Ottawa region guys.

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Did you trade Cowen for O'Reilly?
Not a chance.

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Not a chance.
So we got O'Reilly for free? Sweet.

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I don't think you trade Bishop until the trade deadline or at the draft. I think he has re-established his value & is playing some good hockey for Ottawa. Anderson will return soon but it could take a while for that ankle to mend completely. What's the hurry, there will always be someone else available.

Seems to me everytime there is a guy available there is a number of threads for Ottawa to acquire the guy. While ROR fits what we want I don't want to mortgage the farm for him. There could be a good young forward available soon which might not cost as much, lets have some patience & wait to see what Murray plans to do. I also think he moves some guys to get a few more picks at the deadline to make room for the Bingo guys who have been playing so well & to move the guys he doesn't plan to re-sign.

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Trade Zibby, pfft.

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