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02-22-2013, 10:57 AM
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Why is it a 5 minute penalty for fighting?

So after a fight, each fighter gets a 5 minute penalty, but we never really found out why.

Is it to prevent injuries, by letting them regain their energy before they go back on the ice?

I say they decrease the penalty for fighting to 2 minutes, to help the star players who want to fight but also don't want to hurt their ice time.

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02-22-2013, 11:00 AM
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If you've ever been in a hockey fight you know it kicks the **** out of you. You'd be sitting on the bench for 3 minutes anyways just regaining energy. Especially if a fight is after a long shift.

It's a major punishment. Fighting is technically against the rules, so people are put away for five minutes. I think we're much more likely to see it move to a ten minute penalty than a two minute.

Adrenaline is still kicking. If the fight was an emotion fueled one you still feel it the first few minutes in the box. You're still pissed at the guy. By five minutes you've cooled down enough that you're not going to jump back into a fight.

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Adrenaline is still kicking. If the fight was an emotion fueled one you still feel it the first few minutes in the box. You're still pissed at the guy. By five minutes you've cooled down enough that you're not going to jump back into a fight.
And if not, that's partly why we have the instigator, so they're not coming out of the box at the same time.

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Why punish the players for fighting so severely though?

2 minutes for fighting.

Then there will be less goons if everyone is more likely to fight.

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It's a major violation of the rules. No different than trying to whack someone with your stick or drive his head into the boards, you are actively trying to punch him in the face. The reason for a major should be kind of obvious.

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I like the idea that the major deterrent for most guys from fighting is the length of time they'll have to spend in the box, not the pain associated with having your face rearranged. Makes sense.

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so that after 2 minutes they don't start fighting again.

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As a fan of skilled players I generally don't want them to fight if they're playing for my team. Why would you want that? Why would they want that? Unless they're going up against a similarly skilled player they'll be hurting their team more than helping it. If they are fighting someone as good as them then 5 minutes each is no worse than 2 anyway.

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In addition to what's mentioned above, also matching majors do not put teams in a 4 on 4 situation whereas matching minors do.

Reducing fighting to a minor would mean 4 on 4 hockey after every fight.

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In addition to what's mentioned above, also matching majors do not put teams in a 4 on 4 situation whereas matching minors do.

Reducing fighting to a minor would mean 4 on 4 hockey after every fight.
Matching minors do not necessarily put teams in a 4 on 4 situation.

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Adrenaline is still kicking. If the fight was an emotion fueled one you still feel it the first few minutes in the box. You're still pissed at the guy. By five minutes you've cooled down enough that you're not going to jump back into a fight.
Aside from major infractions against the rules, this sums it up.

Ever see guys still beak each other when they get to the box?

If you don't allow a cool off period, things could/would get a lot uglier.

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So after a fight, each fighter gets a 5 minute penalty, but we never really found out why.
It allows the fighters to play again. Here in Germany almost every serious fight results in a 5 minute+game misconduct penalty.

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Matching minors do not necessarily put teams in a 4 on 4 situation.
Sorry, I meant assuming the teams were full strength before, which is where the vast majority of fights happen.

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Haha. I don't think anyone really sweats not having to take the ice for 5 minutes after a fight.

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Aside from major infractions against the rules, this sums it up.

Ever see guys still beak each other when they get to the box?

If you don't allow a cool off period, things could/would get a lot uglier.
Not that i agree with it, but isn't that the point? Entertainment?

I don't know anyone that finds angry brawls boring.

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Why punish the players for fighting so severely though?

2 minutes for fighting.

Then there will be less goons if everyone is more likely to fight.
The problem isn't that it's illegal to fight, it's that the play should just continue on around the fight. The other guys are good skaters and can avoid them while they keep going.

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Not that i agree with it, but isn't that the point? Entertainment?

I don't know anyone that finds angry brawls boring.
They're not in the context of a good game but do you want to see more fights per game in general? Guys coming out of the box just to have a lazier looking second fight straight away?

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Not that i agree with it, but isn't that the point? Entertainment?

I don't know anyone that finds angry brawls boring.
No one really finds them dull, I'm talking about the idea of two guys who just went at it, still heated when they leave the box.

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btw, it's technically not just 5 minutes for fighting. It's 5 minutes + a whistle. If the 5 expire, and the play keeps going without a break, the 2 combatants stay in the box. This is to ensure that they don't exit the box, and just start right back up. Any incidents that happen while the puck is not in play, ie: before the puck is dropped, garners extremely harsh discipline, so making them leave during a stoppage in play reduces the chances of it re-escalating.

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btw, it's technically not just 5 minutes for fighting. It's 5 minutes + a whistle. If the 5 expire, and the play keeps going without a break, the 2 combatants stay in the box. This is to ensure that they don't exit the box, and just start right back up. Any incidents that happen while the puck is not in play, ie: before the puck is dropped, garners extremely harsh discipline, so making them leave during a stoppage in play reduces the chances of it re-escalating.
This is not because it's 5 + a whistle. The same scenario happens if coincidental minors are taken beyond the min number of skaters.

Because it's coincidental MAJORS both players are removed and neither team is short a man, so they can't leave the box because there would be 7 guys on each side (5 + goalie). They would leave the box on the next stop in play or end of period.

See: Max Talbot penalty in the pens/flyers game the other night. 3 minors in the box, once all expire, he can't leave becuase there already are 6 players iced.

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btw, it's technically not just 5 minutes for fighting. It's 5 minutes + a whistle. If the 5 expire, and the play keeps going without a break, the 2 combatants stay in the box. This is to ensure that they don't exit the box, and just start right back up. Any incidents that happen while the puck is not in play, ie: before the puck is dropped, garners extremely harsh discipline, so making them leave during a stoppage in play reduces the chances of it re-escalating.
If you are serving a penalty that does not put your team a man down you do not come out of the box until the next whistle. It doesn't matter if it's a minor, double-minor or major penalty.

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Should be a minor, to be honest.

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It's a major violation of the rules. No different than trying to whack someone with your stick or drive his head into the boards, you are actively trying to punch him in the face. The reason for a major should be kind of obvious.
Except no one consents to getting whacked in the head or getting their head driven into the boards.
The number on non-consentual fights is pretty low.

One argument ( that many here refuse to acknowledge) is that fights are a less injurious surrogate for what you describe. I don't know anyone who thinks that dropping the gloves and squaring off with a willing opponent is " no different" than sticking a guy or running him in the numbers.

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So after a fight, each fighter gets a 5 minute penalty, but we never really found out why.

Is it to prevent injuries, by letting them regain their energy before they go back on the ice?

I say they decrease the penalty for fighting to 2 minutes, to help the star players who want to fight but also don't want to hurt their ice time.
pretty sure that's an oxymoron. There are very few star players that also want to fight on a regular basis. They know why they are star players, and it certainly ain't for fighting.

There is no problem with the 5 minute major penalty for fighting.

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Except no one consents to getting whacked in the head or getting their head driven into the boards.
The number on non-consentual fights is pretty low.
Consensual has nothing to do with it. It's a major violation of the rules to stop playing, drop your gloves and punch somebody. Does that really need to be justified beyond face value?

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