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07-14-2006, 11:06 PM
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Not talking about giving up on him...talking about replacing him with a younger better player...with more upside.
Upside is good but not something we are lacking. If you want upside, try Kost on your 1st line or Perez, or Grabovsky but that's not the way we do it anyways.
Now, if Svatos was a young budding powerforward/defenceman I would double the offer and shower them with picks.

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07-14-2006, 11:23 PM
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anyway...I dont think Svatos is leaving Colorado any time soon.

you might be right but his agent seems to be talking alot


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Evans said "If the team has cap issues affecting signing a guy like Marek, we would hope they would resolve their cap issues."
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07-14-2006, 11:33 PM
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If the avs have cap issues I would offer something like Perezhogin and a 1st with a conditional 2nd if we can sign Svatos long term (4 years).

Then we would really have to unload Ribeiro, Bonk and Aebischer or we're in trouble lol

But it's all speculation and it's just for fun anyways.

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07-14-2006, 11:48 PM
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He can't stay healthy.
No.

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07-14-2006, 11:59 PM
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He can't stay healthy.
No.
I cant argue with that.

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07-15-2006, 12:53 AM
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The problem with Svatos' contract demands are mostly due to the Avs being cap-limited to the point where they just can't afford to offer him anything much over $1M. So obviously they can't take Ryder back either. Either he'll have to accept a lowball deal, or they'll have to figure out a different way to make room. All of which will be less painful for them than dealing him.

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07-15-2006, 01:51 AM
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svatos is one of their best players, i see the avs shedding some their dead weight for cheap before even contemplating a trade that involves marek.
but yah barring the AVS cap situation (which BlindGuardien eluded to )if we can pull it off a ryder for svatos trade it would be nice.

think outside of the box:
how about ryder (1.8 million estimated), garth murray (575k) and a 2nd for svatos (1.5 million estimated) and ian lapperierre? (1.06 million)? would the avs do it? if they strongly believe that they can't resign svatos (because there's a lot of ugly contracts on their team that might be difficult to dump), something like that could happen (doesn't have to be the habs, hah).

it works contract wise. avs get a durable scorer unlike svatos and a good young checker that can has a few years before he hits the UFA market. habs get an injury prone but exceptional scorer and a strong 2-way player for the checking line.

with the cap world, anything can happen. perhaps a team like the capitals may trade a pick for turgeon giving them the cap room to resign svatos. hmmm

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07-15-2006, 07:55 AM
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I'll avoid the issue of if we should(n't) make a move for Svatos and just try and remind a few people who are content to slight him with regards to his abilities. Does anyone else here remember the game we played against Colorado? If not, that would be the one we lost and some kid from their team called Marek Svatos was running things for the Avs. Every time he got the puck, he looked dangerous. Even Andrei Markov, our #1 d-man and one of our best players last year, was left looking like he didn't belong on the same ice surface as Svatos, who frequently skated right through the middle of our team with the puck on his stick. thankfully, Huet bailed us out most of the game but looked exhausted by the end of it, but still, that wasn't enough and we lost 2-1.

Svatos was nothing short of amazing that game and in others during the season. To say he is over-rated or that he relies on a future first-ballot Hall of Famer to look good is unfair.

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07-15-2006, 11:48 AM
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Why Ryder for Svatos??
They are pretty much the same offensively!

Ryder played all last season with a disc problem and Svatos had Sakic feeding him the puck!

It would be a sideways move because before last season, Svatos was a big question mark health wise. He broke out, was awesome, but like Ribeiro in his breakout season, caught everyone off guard!
Ribeiro had a breakout season???

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I'll avoid the issue of if we should(n't) make a move for Svatos and just try and remind a few people who are content to slight him with regards to his abilities. Does anyone else here remember the game we played against Colorado? If not, that would be the one we lost and some kid from their team called Marek Svatos was running things for the Avs. Every time he got the puck, he looked dangerous. Even Andrei Markov, our #1 d-man and one of our best players last year, was left looking like he didn't belong on the same ice surface as Svatos, who frequently skated right through the middle of our team with the puck on his stick. thankfully, Huet bailed us out most of the game but looked exhausted by the end of it, but still, that wasn't enough and we lost 2-1.

Svatos was nothing short of amazing that game and in others during the season. To say he is over-rated or that he relies on a future first-ballot Hall of Famer to look good is unfair.
Yeah I remember that game. How many amazing moves did Svatos do 1 on 1 near the blue line? It was one of the most impressive individual performance (without racking up points) by a player the Habs played against last year.

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07-15-2006, 11:58 AM
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Dagenais?
YOu would be lucky to get hockey tape for him

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07-15-2006, 12:30 PM
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I don't know the entire history on Svatos, but I followed his games, and was VERY impressed by him when the Habs played the Avs. But there's 1 thing I don't get. Why does he have such a bad rap for staying healthy? He only had 1 injurry to his shoulder, no? I mean, plenty of players have suffered similar and gone on to have long careers, right?

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07-15-2006, 12:37 PM
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I don't know the entire history on Svatos, but I followed his games, and was VERY impressed by him when the Habs played the Avs. But there's 1 thing I don't get. Why does he have such a bad rap for staying healthy? He only had 1 injurry to his shoulder, no? I mean, plenty of players have suffered similar and gone on to have long careers, right?
Actualy he had more then one. He basicaly missed the all of the 2003-2004(I think???) season with shoulder injury. And has some others before.

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07-15-2006, 12:40 PM
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So he has chronic shoulder injuries? Ok, i'm updated now. Thanks

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07-15-2006, 01:08 PM
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Ryder is a great young player if you ask me. Give him time to fix the holes in his game before everyone calls for his head. I see a pure goal scorer in him and that'ssomething we haven't had in Montreal since um... a long time.

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07-15-2006, 01:32 PM
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Ryder is a great young player if you ask me. Give him time to fix the holes in his game before everyone calls for his head. I see a pure goal scorer in him and that'ssomething we haven't had in Montreal since um... a long time.
No one is calling for his head in this thread. The fact is that if Svatos wasnt so injury prone he'd be a real improvement over Ryder. They dont really compare and we'd never get him for Ryder alone. If you can improve your team that way...you cant ignore it.

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Svatos is overrated and I wouldn't give Ryder for him. Let's see if he can repeat this next year.
Svatos is going to be a star.

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07-15-2006, 04:48 PM
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Svatos is going to be a star.
I know he was impressive and all, but I'm just not sure about his ability to consistently score goals. He does show a lot flash and great speed but... Remember Valery Bure when he scored 30+?

That being said, it's just my personal gut feeling, but trust me I have nothing against Marek and wish him success. If he does pan out like you guys think, then I'll happily eat my words.

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07-15-2006, 05:52 PM
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Even though I like Svatos and his flash, he has shown no signs of actual longevity healthwise. He's had some pretty big, fairly longterm injuries at like every level played, no?
Just not comfortable with that.

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