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RD Ryan Sproul (2011, 55th overall, Detroit)

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02-21-2013, 11:38 PM
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1+1=2 and 2nd star. He has 60 points in 40 games.

He just doesn't stop. He'd tied for 22nd in scoring, and 2 points off of #20 (#20 only being of interest because the scoring page only holds 20 entries).

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02-21-2013, 11:49 PM
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Jesus. Detroit may have the CHL's two best defenders, period.
Ok , let's not go to far.

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02-22-2013, 12:23 AM
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Ok , let's not go to far.
It's really not that far fetched. Both are top 5 imo

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02-22-2013, 12:29 AM
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9th highest PPG in the OHL

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02-22-2013, 11:02 AM
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He'd be in the top 10 scoring if he wasn't injured this year. What's the record for most points by a defense in the OHL?

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02-22-2013, 11:53 AM
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Ok , let's not go to far.
Not far fetched at all. Both are clearly top 5

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02-22-2013, 12:20 PM
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Ok , let's not go to far.
I think he means right now, not future potential, but if you were going to make a super team if only CHL players I would think that both guys would be on it. Both are top 3 in their own League so it's not that crazy to say that they are top 5, or even top 3 in the CHL at this point.

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02-22-2013, 01:48 PM
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I still cant believe Murphy made the junior team over him

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I still cant believe Murphy made the junior team over him
I still can't believe Murphy played some of the most minutes on team Canada.

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02-23-2013, 09:58 AM
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It'll be a shame if Detroit puts the kid in the minors till he's old enough to be a grandfather... First time I've seen him play in a while last night and the kid didn't even try and he was one of the best players on the ice for both teams last night. When he did try it was scary.

Why he wasn't on Team Canada is mind boggling.

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02-23-2013, 12:01 PM
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It'll be a shame if Detroit puts the kid in the minors till he's old enough to be a grandfather... First time I've seen him play in a while last night and the kid didn't even try and he was one of the best players on the ice for both teams last night. When he did try it was scary.

Why he wasn't on Team Canada is mind boggling.
Detroit's approach to developing prospects could definitely help him refine his defensive game though.

He could probably be QBing an NHL PP right now, but he still has a ways to go to be an above average NHL defender.

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02-23-2013, 12:14 PM
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Detroit's approach to developing prospects could definitely help him refine his defensive game though.

He could probably be QBing an NHL PP right now, but he still has a ways to go to be an above average NHL defender.
I hope they don't keep him in the AHL for too long. He and Ouellet could have roles in the Wings lineup as soon as the 2014-2015 season (Ouellet possibly next year). We don't have a good PP QB this year and possibly next year unless Jarnkrok makes the team, so Sproul could be on the fast-track to the Detroit just because of his PP skills.

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02-23-2013, 12:19 PM
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He'd be in the top 10 scoring if he wasn't injured this year. What's the record for most points by a defense in the OHL?
dunno what the record is but Ryan Ellis had 101 in 58 games a couple years ago

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He'd be in the top 10 scoring if he wasn't injured this year. What's the record for most points by a defense in the OHL?
He's got a bit to go for that.

The late Bryan Fogarty has the record at 155 points(47 goals, 108 assists) in 60 games back in '88/'89, I believe.

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It'll be a shame if Detroit puts the kid in the minors till he's old enough to be a grandfather... First time I've seen him play in a while last night and the kid didn't even try and he was one of the best players on the ice for both teams last night. When he did try it was scary.

Why he wasn't on Team Canada is mind boggling.
I think Sproul will get some AHL time. Maybe a season and get some call ups but I also think some D are gonna be fast tracked now because they need guys. I could see Ouellet making the team next year because hes so polished but Sproul could be turned into a dominant dman if his defensive game is refined.

Its come a long way in the last couple of seasons and with his size and reach I think he can become a pretty solid 2 way defender in the NHL. I'm not against him getting some AHL time, just not three seasons

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02-23-2013, 01:10 PM
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We keep guys down who are not big and physically ready. Ryan Sproul is 6'4 and does not need many season's in the minors. Maybe one season is enough.

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02-23-2013, 01:31 PM
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We keep guys down who are not big and physically ready. Ryan Sproul is 6'4 and does not need many season's in the minors. Maybe one season is enough.
Raw defensively still plus needs to gain weight even if he is 6'4. He should at least get one year but might see a lot of call ups.

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02-23-2013, 03:28 PM
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Most offensively gifted D-men coming out of Junior will need work at the pro level to get better defensively. I don't think it takes him long. He's just to good and thinks the game to well to be held back.

I'm not sure what Detroits got in the system but I'm going to say nobody is offensively gifted as Sproul.

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02-23-2013, 03:52 PM
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I coached Ryan for a short time before he went to the OHL. His high-end potential was obvious to me. What I wanted to see was a bigger commitment to working harder in all facets of his game and not just when he had a chance to score.

If you can believe it, he went to the Greyhounds camp in early summer prior to his NHL draft year and they barely acknowledged him. Ryan was a bit down. It wasn't until the Soo learned of the U of Michigan showing major interest that he got back on the Hounds radar. When we signed him with the Vaughan Vipers we knew it was going to be a very short stay. He was a kid who wanted to go the OHL route. I actually wanted him to go that route as well, but wanted him to get a fair deal from the Greyhounds. If they invested heavily, I knew they would be more apt to give him a real shot.

When he went to The OHL I saw a big change in his work ethic. He didn't get the power play time that I thought he deserved, which is one reason he was under the radar a bit until later in the season. I had an advantage. I had coached him during on ice sessions for a full summer, through a main camp and into regular season practices and games. I had the control to put him through drills. It was fun to watch him blast away one-timers in a PP drill I would run. He scored on a one-timer in one of our early season wins. It was an absolute cannon.

I was asked a dozen times on radio and even once on TV for a sleeper pick during his draft year. Early in the year most of the people asking me didn't know who I was even talking about when I answered with Ryan Sproul. As the season went on, more people knew the name when I gave the answer. He had started to get some ice-time and made the most of it.

I measured Ryan myself in August of his NHL Draft season. He was a hair under 6'4" and 187 pounds. He is much stronger now. I was at the game in London last night and saw him pre-game. His legs are huge now compared to that day I measured him a couple of years ago. Same goes for his upper body.

IMO Ryan could step into a spot on an NHL power play tonight and look great. He has natural instincts in that area of his game. He still needs to grow on the D side of the puck (FYI, I speak about his game with him on occasion, as recently as post-game last night. He knows his game) Ryan has improved a TON as a defender over the last two years. I can tell you that the Red Wings staff I have spoken to about him, see him much like I do at this point. He is a stud on the PP who still has work to do defensively, but is improving all the time. Much like me, they think his potential his very high. They don't seem too concerned at all about the occasional pond hockey type play in his game. The fact is, he can pull it off right now so they let him.

There were a ton of Wings staffers in London last night, Ryan was aware they were there. I saw the Wings Director of Scouting Joe McDonnell (great guy by the way) speak to Ryan in the pre-game. IMO Ryan played his typical game. He looked like a man amongst boys when he lugged the puck, but made a few mistakes in his own zone. He needs to be a bit more physical IMO, not necessarily hitting guys all over the ice but just pinning and containing better. I coached Pietrangelo for a short time also, Ryan and Petro remind me of each other in a few areas, including that physical aspect area. Petro has improved a ton in that area.

You won't hear the word "AHL" out of Ryan right now. He is focused on the Hounds and is very excited about the playoffs as he has not been in them before. I'm hoping the Hounds play Kitchener as I think it would be a great matchup. one I'd like to watch.

We (HP) ended up ranking Ryan at the bottom of the first round. It was not a favour because I had coached him. In fact looking back now, we should have had him a bit higher. It was obvious he had elite PP talent, was a fantastic skater and it didn't hurt that he was 6'4". All our scouts who saw him, liked him.

I was sitting with Ryan and his family etc.. at the draft as he slid into the deep 2nd round. Right before the Red Wings selected him I said "This is where the Red Wings get another steal." I think Ryan is proving they made a great pick. What a great 2nd round the Wings had that year.

As for Team Canada, I was in contact with Ryan quite a bit while he was in Calgary. He was happy to be selected to camp and obviously disappointed when he was cut. It didn't take a rocket scientist to connect Murphy to the head coach. Everyone knew Ryan was up against it going into camp. Unlike some, I like Murphy but felt Sproul had outplayed him during both the season and in camp. I will say that I have been shocked by Murphy's play this season. I'm not alone scout wise.

I'm going to go watch the Soo again on Sunday vs Mississauga (mostly for 2013 guys of course) and I'll see the Soo a few more times this year. I'll post back here if there is anything I think is worth noting on him.

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02-23-2013, 04:02 PM
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Wow, thank you. Very interesting to get an insiders opinion on him.

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Thank you Mark. Absolutely great stuff.

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He looked like a man amongst boys when he lugged the puck, but made a few mistakes in his own zone. He needs to be a bit more physical IMO, not necessarily hitting guys all over the ice but just pinning and containing better. I coached Pietrangelo for a short time also, Ryan and Petro remind me of each other in a few areas, including that physical aspect area. Petro has improved a ton in that area.

The fact that he drew, even if it was in passing, a comparison to Petro makes me even higher on this kid. Cannot wait to see what he can do in GR.

Thanks for your analysis.


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02-23-2013, 08:19 PM
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Thanks for that Mark. Quick question what do you think is Sproul's max upside & his likely upside?

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Ryan is playing Centre tonight.In related news, Nick Cousins is suspended for 4 games.
I joked a bit with Ryan via txt about his defensive responsibilities.


I think I will probably at least check this game out for a few minutes.

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Ryan is playing Centre tonight.In related news, Nick Cousins is suspended for 4 games.
I joked a bit with Ryan via txt about his defensive responsibilities.


I think I will probably at least check this game out for a few minutes.
Wow, that's very interesting. Do you know the reason why he might be playing center?

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