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02-23-2013, 06:05 PM
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Been a big JVR fan for a while now. What do you guys think will happen to him offensively when Lupul returns?
Considering pedigree, age and upside, I'd actually rather see JVR in that spot with Kessel than Lupul, but if Lupul isn't productive somewhere else it might make sense to try the Lupul/Kessel duo and let JVR thrive elsewhere in the lineup, since he might be a better standalone player to Lupul.

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02-23-2013, 06:33 PM
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Considering pedigree, age and upside, I'd actually rather see JVR in that spot with Kessel than Lupul, but if Lupul isn't productive somewhere else it might make sense to try the Lupul/Kessel duo and let JVR thrive elsewhere in the lineup, since he might be a better standalone player to Lupul.
I kind of want to see Lupol with Kadri and Frattin. I feel like his speed and physicality would make a solid combination with Kadri, and putting a vet like him with two younger guys wont hurt either.

We could also put him on his natural wing (RW) and put Frattin on LW.

Frattin-Kadri-Lupol

I feel like that line could be pretty potent.

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02-24-2013, 04:33 AM
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I kind of want to see Lupol with Kadri and Frattin. I feel like his speed and physicality would make a solid combination with Kadri, and putting a vet like him with two younger guys wont hurt either.

We could also put him on his natural wing (RW) and put Frattin on LW.

Frattin-Kadri-Lupol

I feel like that line could be pretty potent.
KGM line should also reunite although McClement has been a beast on the shutdown line.

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02-24-2013, 09:53 AM
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Carlyle was probably correct initially in that Lupul is only a third line winger in the NHL. JVR on the top line and put Lupul on a sheltered scoring line with kadri and frattin.

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02-24-2013, 10:08 AM
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I kind of want to see Lupol with Kadri and Frattin. I feel like his speed and physicality would make a solid combination with Kadri, and putting a vet like him with two younger guys wont hurt either.

We could also put him on his natural wing (RW) and put Frattin on LW.

Frattin-Kadri-Lupol

I feel like that line could be pretty potent.
He doesn't want to play there, that's what caused beef between him and Carlyle in the first place in Anaheim. Carlyle wanted him to play on the right side and Lupes wanted to utilize his R handed shot off the L wing. Lupul always said he wanted to play on the L wing and could prove that he belonged there to Carlyle, but Carlyle wasn't buying it and thought he would be better if played on the Right wing

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02-24-2013, 10:43 AM
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Why does everyone want to stack lines? Balance it out. You could put Lupul with the Grabo line(I think he's good enough defensively for it and with his offense it woud actually be easier to get to the O-zone and maintain pressure), then you keep Kadri-Frattin and JVR-Kessel together. Each line would have an extremely solid defensive player on their line; Bozak, Kulemin, and Komarov plus all 3 would have the potential to burn the opponents offensively. You can sit Mac(incase of injury) or trade him.

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02-24-2013, 10:45 AM
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After seeing what JVR brings to the game, it is no wonder why he clicks so well with Kessel.

Kessel has the ability to be a perimeter player when we are in the offensive zone taking huge shots from the hash marks with JVR screening the goalie and ready to jump on a rebound when neccessary.

When they are on the two on one rush, Kessel has the ability to shoot if in position. However, with Kessel showing his playmaking abilities and JVR's ability to keep up with his speed can take the pass and score.

Bozak has done a beauty of a job winning the faceoffs, has a great relationship with Kessel, and can play adequate defense. However, I feel that getting a centre that can win draws (atleast 50%), is defensive specialist, but most importantly can win the battles in the corner (size) would make this line one of the most dangerous in the league.

I'm not a great nhl scout of other teams, but guys that I see working would be:
- Getzlaf - no questions really lol
- Ryan O'Reilly - Price is steep... can he win the corners?
- Joe Thorton - possible trade block?

Any others that might be attainable?

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02-25-2013, 01:54 PM
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Holmstrom was a beast infront of the net, watching JVR i see the same thing. Am i dumb for pointing it out ? or are you dumb for not noticing ?
take it easy brother...chill

Holmstrom learned to be a beast in front of the net because that was probably the only way he can have success in the NHL. He was a terrible skater and at times was used as PP specialist who hovers around 15mins of icetime a game. At times he was kind of one dimensional. His skating definitely hurt him.

Surely JVR has much more skill to his game than Holmstrom. I am not saying JVR is already a better player than Holmstrom in his prime, but Holmstrom topped out at 59 pts and was usually around 40ish. I have higher hopes for JVR. He is much faster and has a good shot so he doesn't have to always rely on scoring around the net (though crashing the next is always a good thing, unless Phaneuf is about the unleash one)

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unless Phaneuf is about the unleash one)
In that case, being in front of the net is probably the safest place a player could be.

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02-25-2013, 02:09 PM
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Why does everyone want to stack lines? Balance it out. You could put Lupul with the Grabo line(I think he's good enough defensively for it and with his offense it woud actually be easier to get to the O-zone and maintain pressure), then you keep Kadri-Frattin and JVR-Kessel together. Each line would have an extremely solid defensive player on their line; Bozak, Kulemin, and Komarov plus all 3 would have the potential to burn the opponents offensively. You can sit Mac(incase of injury) or trade him.
Sure that could work. The one argument I have is if you put Lupul with Kadri-Frattin it could give us a 1 B offense line that would normally be facing third liners. Mcclement-Grabo-Kuli would be the shutdown line facing the number one line, and Kessels line would be facing the second line (or there shutdown line) which would make the Kadri line the odd man and giving them a chance to really provide us with the extra offense we need.

Also if your putting Grabo, Kuli, Lupol as the shutdown line thats 10 million + tied up on forwards that are just shutting down top lines all game.

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02-28-2013, 11:47 PM
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I don't really see the Holmstrom comparison either. Holmstrom is slow, not overly skilled, but unreal in front of the net, makes an art out of screening goalies and jumping on rebounds. JVR uses his size/strength well, and goes to the net, but he's a very different type of player. He's fast, a good puck handler, has a good shot, he's a dynamic and skilled offensive player who also goes to the net. He doesn't seem to be an unreal garbage man (like Holmstrom), but as a big, strong, skilled forward, it's one of the many things he can do well.

As others have mentioned, to me he's much more of a poor man's Rick Nash than a Holmstrom. Calling JVR the next Holmstrom is like calling Karlsson the next Chara just because Karlsson and Chara both have great slappers. Sure, that's one thing they both do well, but overall they're very different players.

Whoever you want to compare JVR to, I think we can all agree that he's been playing great hockey. I'm VERY happy with the trade so far, Schenn wasn't making overly positive contributions here, while JVR has been one of our best players, and a big part of why we've been winning so many games.
I can't remember the last time JVR made a pass to a forward, he has 4 assists in 22 games so he's not generating scoring chances but he is converting opportunities.

He has the same job description as Holmstrom and he does it well but I don't think he's showed much else yet. He's a useful player and that's great but he's scoring and Kessel isn't. Kessel needs to feed him for him to be successful, too bad he can't reciprocate.

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