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Ryan O'Reilly Headed to Offer Sheet or Trade (Part 4)

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02-23-2013, 05:25 PM
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Maybe if you made him captain he would have signed by now at a reasonable salary

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Right now with the way Chevy will value Trouba, You will need to add to ROR,

It probably wont make sense to the Avs, but that is where the jets are right now.

Not saying anything about ROR's value, but trading Trouba makes no sense
Which is fully understandable, we want the best deal possible and seems it won't be coming from the Jets. As you know I am talking as fan perspective because anything is possible with trades.

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Avs can add a plethora of Dmen to any package. There are 4 I can think of and you can have them all until your team is healthy again.

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Which is fully understandable, we want the best deal possible and seems it won't be coming from the Jets. As you know I am talking as fan perspective because anything is possible with trades.
Yep, if we had More LHD, Enstrom would be able to be traded, but right now we are not looking good right there

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To me Brian Little just doesn't make sense as the main piece in a deal for O'reilly. He's a known quantity who I'm just not all that enthralled with.

If you acquire him, O'reilly will be your best forward on many (possibly most) nights just as he was for us and would have been again had negotiations not gone south. And as a 22 year old RFA he will be that for you for years to come.

If O'reilly is going your way, I want a similar core asset coming back, whereas I see Brian Little as a complementary top 6 winger/center on a good team.

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To me Brian Little just doesn't make sense as the main piece in a deal for O'reilly. He's a known quantity who I'm just not all that enthralled with.

If you acquire him, O'reilly will be your best forward on many (possibly most) nights just as he was for us and would have been again had negotiations not gone south. And as a 22 year old RFA he will be that for you for years to come.

If O'reilly is going your way, I want a similar core asset coming back, whereas I see Brian Little as a complementary top 6 winger/center on a good team.
He really does make sense. He is one of those Sherman mancrushes he overvalues like crazy. If we are dealing with WPG (as rumored) and if Little is involved, Avs fan better prepare to be the butt of a crapload of jokes in here. We will get fleeced beyond belief....
Stupid Sherman.....

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He really does make sense. He is one of those Sherman mancrushes he overvalues like crazy. If we are dealing with WPG (as rumored) and if Little is involved, Avs fan better prepare to be the butt of a crapload of jokes in here. We will get fleeced beyond belief....
Stupid Sherman.....
When has Sherman been fleeced in any trade? He knows RORs value and isn't giving him up for peanuts.. Little is a nice piece but there will definitely be something of value tacked on from Winnipeg's end.

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He really does make sense. He is one of those Sherman mancrushes he overvalues like crazy. If we are dealing with WPG (as rumored) and if Little is involved, Avs fan better prepare to be the butt of a crapload of jokes in here. We will get fleeced beyond belief....
Stupid Sherman.....
and how did his mancrush on McGinn work out for us?

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He really does make sense. He is one of those Sherman mancrushes he overvalues like crazy. If we are dealing with WPG (as rumored) and if Little is involved, Avs fan better prepare to be the butt of a crapload of jokes in here. We will get fleeced beyond belief....
Stupid Sherman.....
This supposed Sherman man crush has taken on mythical proportions among HF posters based on very little (no pun intended) substance.

It's possible Avs like Little. It's possible they like ten Jets players.

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When has Sherman been fleeced in any trade? He knows RORs value and isn't giving him up for peanuts.. Little is a nice piece but there will definitely be something of value tacked on from Winnipeg's end.
Sherman's track record also makes me severely doubt that Little is the main piece he's targeting.

He's shown when making a big trade he targets players who are absolute needs for us (Johnson, Varlamov).

I don't see Little as that.

I don't doubt that he wants to acquire Little, in fact we know he does, I just doubt that he would be the main piece coming back in a trade for Ryan O'reilly.

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Avs can add a plethora of Dmen to any package. There are 4 I can think of and you can have them all until your team is healthy again.
From a Ranger point of view what do you want for ROR, O'Byrne, Barrie?.............Rangers offering DZ then what?.......I would offer ...ideally Boyle, Eminger, Thomas

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From a Ranger point of view what do you want for ROR, O'Byrne, Barrie?.............Rangers offering DZ then what?.......I would offer ...ideally Boyle, Eminger, Thomas
Avs aren't trading Barrie. They have zero reason to.

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From a Ranger point of view what do you want for ROR, O'Byrne, Barrie?.............Rangers offering DZ then what?.......I would offer ...ideally Boyle, Eminger, Thomas
Not a chance. Adding Barrie just makes that way worse. He is not getting traded.

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When has Sherman been fleeced in any trade? He knows RORs value and isn't giving him up for peanuts.. Little is a nice piece but there will definitely be something of value tacked on from Winnipeg's end.
I was never happy with the value he got out of trades. He never struck me as a good negotiator. Many of his trades turned out good in hindsight but I can not remember a deal besides maybe Downie, and the McGinn deal where I liked the return we got. He is pretty good at buying low and our NHL scouting seems to be pretty good but I always felt that he should have gotten more for Liles or paid less for Varly ,etc.

And in this situation we have not as much leverage as in the McGinn or Downie trade. So I just could see that he wants this mess solved and wants one of his mancrushes in return while discounting better other offers...
Maybe I am wrong. Maybe I am right. I am no fan of Sherman right now so maybe I am overreacting. We will see..

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Wait, honest question. Is this the same GM that traded Shatty and Stewart for EJ?

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Wait, honest question. Is this the same GM that traded Shatty and Stewart for EJ?
No, this is the GM that traded Shatty, Stewart and a 2nd for EJ, McClemment and a 1st.

And who also got McGinn and Sgarbossa for a UFA Winnik and healthy scratch Galiardi.

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No, this is the GM that traded Shatty, Stewart and a 2nd for EJ, McClemment and a 1st.

And who also got McGinn and Sgarbossa for a UFA Winnik and healthy scratch Galiardi.
Yeah people are really jumping the gun when calling this trade, since Siemens hasn't play an NHL season yet.

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Yeah people are really jumping the gun when calling this trade, since Siemens hasn't play an NHL season yet.
Or Rattie.

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Booo I was hoping for something about O'Reilly on Hotstove. Any recent updates at all or is it everything we knew a week ago?

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Little doesn't quite = ROR so you need a defensive stud instead. I just don't get that. Winnipeg may be interested but I can guarantee that Bogo or Trouba aren't part of the discussion.
I agree RoR is not worth Little and one of those dmen.

I would be worried with RoR, yes he had a good year last year but it was just one year. How many times have we see young players have a good year and get a big contract and then never perform again.

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... I would be worried with RoR, yes he had a good year last year but it was just one year ...
the best thing for you would be to not trade for him

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I agree RoR is not worth Little and one of those dmen.

I would be worried with RoR, yes he had a good year last year but it was just one year. How many times have we see young players have a good year and get a big contract and then never perform again.
This statement shows a clear lack of having seen the player your talking about. O'Reilly hasn't just had one good year, offensively yes he had a breakout year but his defensive abilities are nothing new.

Trust Avs fans when we tell you, any team getting O'Reilly will most likely win the trade. Your getting a young core player with three years in the NHL already, that also has more potential on top of what hes already done.

What is Colorado being offered? Non core players, some good, some not so.. Along with getting told 'No' on any highly touted prospect coming back. Everyone wants to give up complimentary pieces, proven or unproven. It's ridiculous...

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This statement shows a clear lack of having seen the player your talking about. O'Reilly hasn't just had one good year, offensively yes he had a breakout year but his defensive abilities are nothing new.

Trust Avs fans when we tell you, any team getting O'Reilly will most likely win the trade. Your getting a young core player with three years in the NHL already, that also has more potential on top of what hes already done.

What is Colorado being offered? Non core players, some good, some not so.. Along with getting told 'No' on any highly touted prospect coming back. Everyone wants to give up complimentary pieces, proven or unproven. It's ridiculous...
Yup I have noticed that too. People don't understand that we are giving up a core player we DO NOT want to give up, except we have no choice.

Some of you are thinking that I am overrating ROR with this post. Clearly not, the ones who think I am are clearly underrating his value. He is the type of player you win Cups with.

I also find it hypocritical to the posters who say he only had one good season, but yet won't give up their prospect who are not NHL proven and abide by how "good" their potential will be. Guess what ROR had a breakout season, already is NHL proven, and unlimited potential with the player you're team will eventually get HATES losing. To the point of running the Pepsi Centre stairs after a lost.

CobraAcesS said it perfectly, any trade involving ROR will be a lost for us (Plain and simple).


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To COL:

Miller
Pominville

To BUF:

O'Reilly
Varlamov (or one of their other goalie prospects)

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Miller
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To BUF:

O'Reilly
Varlamov (or one of their other goalie prospects)
If we were contenders, it's a nice package. But we are currently rebuilding and don't need players who are already in their prime.

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