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02-21-2013, 03:15 PM
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My guess is that K. Hayes was so depressed about his own crappy play / lack of improvement at BC that he did something stupid to brealk team rules --the fact is he has been a huge disappointment for a first rounder taken 24th in his draft year and now in his Jr. year is just a 2nd line support player on BC instead of the "go to" star he OUGHT to have become by now ...so instead the headlines go to Johnny Hockey (Gaudreau) and his first line mates ..K. Hayes is relegated to the odd assist once in awhile (he has few goals to what he OUGHT to have) -which is expected on such a top contender team like BC is for the ultimate prize --a Frozen Four spot and NCAA Championship (one of the favourites,anyway) ...Though K. Hayes is good on faceoffs --surprisingly he is only 5th on the team in faceoffs taken--it appears they have Bill Arnold playing centre onthe 2nd line because he takes more faceoffs than does his linemate Hayes ...yes he has 24 pts in 26GP--only 5th in team scoring --but only 6 of these points are goals and 4 of the 6 came on the PP--so he has only 2 ES goals on the season and overall is shooting only 7.5% ...worst of all --he is a -4 on a team (this is the worst and only negative in this stat of BC's top 5 scoring forwards) ..on faceoffs Hayes is winning 61.9% of his draws BUT has only taken 63 faceoffs --the top 4 faceoff guys on the team in terms of faceoffs taken are BILL ARNOLD (568 taken, 52.5 % won; PAT MULLANE 525 taken, 56.8% won; PATRICK BROWN 274 taken 49.3% won; and MICHAEL SIT 144 taken and 55.7% won)---and so while Hayes might be better tan any of them on draws ,his coach doesn't use him at centre --opting instead to give him 2nd line time on Arnold's wing ..so it may be unfair to fault Hayes for not getting so much opportunity to do what he does best ---win draws--but still --given his high NHL draft pick status as a first rounder you would expect better prodiuction from him to earn a first line C status by now his 3rd year there...so maybe he just got fed up with not really getting enough opportunity to be the go to guy or at least first line C --you might argue if he got that he OUGHT to have also piled up more PP goals and overall at least points with Gaudreau as a linemate on the wing --so maybe he got frustrated at his lesser opportunities and support role as a 2nd liner and secondary Pp guy only ...maybe he thought he'd have developed better by now...I only know if I was him,I'd be unhappy at taking a back seat to others in more featured roles -but then maybe his coach is justified in limiting him --that -4 and 2nd line checking role,not even getting 2nd line C duty by not being allowed to be the primary faceoff guy for the line or in special situations--maybe this all frustrated him ? Mullane is a SR. so the coach is not going to demote him down from the top line as he also is producig lots of scoring points (34) and a very solid + 19 ..but ARNOLD is only a JR. too like K.Hayes yet his coach gives him the featured role at C on the 2nd line and top faceoff taker on the team ...So if K. Hayes was so special as a first rounder OUGHT to be--he would have by now displaced either Mullane or Arnold in their roles -but you are not going to do that shooting only 8% and bing a -4 (ARNOLD is shooting 19% ,and so though he has only a point more than Hayes the fact is 12 of those 25 points are goals ....so OVERALL considering everything I would say K. Hayes is a disapointment
-he should have progressed into something special by now in his 3rd college year--instead he seems more support player and collects some assits on most of his points because other guys are converting in their more featured "go to" goal scorer counted on roles ...So he gets to be only the 5th wheel among the forwards in the BC attack ...we expected more --perhaps he did too for himself? So maybe some frustration set him off on breaking some team rules? The point s--as of now he doesn't look like much of anything to get excited about for our pipeline...wheher it is just bad luck his opportunities have not come to shine more for BC or whether it is his own fault for not progressing to seize the opportunities to shine over the 4 forwards deemed ahread of him or some combination of both--I don't know --but watchng say a first rounder like NICK BJUGSTAD become the go to star for Minnesota
(he doesn't have that man more points than K. Hayes 29 in 30 GP --but he's a bigger star because 16 of those are goals and he is their top line centre) ---the point is we all thought K. Hayes was the BIG CENTRE solution long sought--that is for those byuing into the hype when Stan drafted him about 10-15 spots too early for some skeptics like me---and know it seems I was more right than our vaunted scouting staff--K. Hayes looks more bottom 2 lines material--if he ever makes the show at all ...One hoped they were right and that he progressed into some kind of projectible star --but come on--an 8% shooter? Only 2 ES goals in 26 GP? AND -4 on a team like BC on the 2nd line? It does not suggest anything to get excited over --DOES IT?

Agaim -am I unfair to K. Hayes? --did bad luck behind other talent or senior priviledge and his coach's allocation of roles decisions limit his progression in college OR simply was K. Hayes NEVER THAT GOOD as our hawks hype dept. gushed over his selection? I think at some point you progress to justify the faith in the scvouting dept. that recommended taking you that high OR you stall and the reality sets in...that may have happened to Hayes both in where the Hawks see him now and how he sees himself--that is an iffy NHL'er or a bottom 2 line guy at best with maybe a chance to grab a role as a faceoff specialist IF he got that opportunity in the pros that he did not get at BC (at least this year) ...The few games i have seen of BC this year ,I would classify his assists as "routine" rather than a primary cause for the evental goal scored .Just because he has a decent amout of assists to pad his point total doesn't not mean he is some sort of "cog" as say Kane is ,,it looks more like a routine collector of assists because other talent on that BC team DOES put the biscuit in the basket..

To me he looks more like a checker than a scorer and if he is going to be even that he will need to be much much better than a -4 guy...

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02-21-2013, 04:12 PM
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Holy wall of text.

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02-21-2013, 04:50 PM
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My guess is that K. Hayes was so depressed about his own crappy play / lack of improvement at BC that he did something stupid to brealk team rules...
To me he looks more like a checker than a scorer and if he is going to be even that he will need to be much much better than a -4 guy...
Interesting thoughts about his suspension and development. Pretty much agree with your talent evaluation. He may not be going on the pp Rockford so it will be interesting what his offensive production will be but Im not holding my breath on his offensive upside unless he proves me wrong.

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02-21-2013, 04:52 PM
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I stopped reading at "lack of improvement". Kayes has almost as many points (24) through 26 games this year as he had through 44 games last year (28) and basically the same amount of goals; 6 this year vs 7 all of last season.

And, as you liked to point out, he's done all of that playing on BC's second line.

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02-21-2013, 06:39 PM
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Hayes has shown improvement in his all around game

And goals being used against him in argument is foolish as he is more a playmaker.

Kevin Hayes a playmaking version of Jimmy Hayes. Jimmy has always had more talent as a goal scorer

And Kevin Hayes was on pace to surpass his brothers 3rd yr pt production by a good margin this year

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02-21-2013, 09:24 PM
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LOL, oh fiddy...

No improvement? Laughable, Hayes is looking really good lately, much improved over last year. Like has been pointed out, he's more of a playmaker than a goal scorer, similar to Joe Thorton (note that i don't mean that his ceiling is that level, but IMO its in the same realm). He's that kind of player.

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02-22-2013, 05:41 AM
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still think we should sign him and bring him to the AHL.

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02-23-2013, 12:04 PM
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From around the CHL last night:

A. Broadhurst - 1G
Danault - 1G, 2A
Fournier - 1A
Whitney - 22/25Svs
Brown - 1A
McNeill - Pointless
Ross - Pointless

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02-23-2013, 02:43 PM
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Holy wall of text.
Cliff notes please.

Seriously what are we going to do with all our prospects? You can argue that Pirri, Morin, Jayes, Smith will be ready next year. We also have TT, McNeil, Beach and Danault ready at possibly mid-season next year?

I really want to see Morin, Beach and Pirri given a chance but I'm starting to doubt they will get a chance.

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02-23-2013, 03:27 PM
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Cliff notes please.

Seriously what are we going to do with all our prospects? You can argue that Pirri, Morin, Jayes, Smith will be ready next year. We also have TT, McNeil, Beach and Danault ready at possibly mid-season next year?

I really want to see Morin, Beach and Pirri given a chance but I'm starting to doubt they will get a chance.
Well Bickell and Stalberg will be gone next year so there is 2 open spots. Bolland and Hjalmersson only have 1 more year after this.

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02-23-2013, 03:44 PM
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TT's more than likely going to spend another year in Finland. Look for him to come over for the 2014-15 season.

McNeill and Danault will challenge for roster spots next year, but will be in tough against Morin, Pirri, J.Hayes, Smith and Beach plus any UFA's/trades the Hawks bring in at some point between now and the start of next season. They'll most likely both start in Rockford and depending on how they transition, one of them could end up in Chicago at some point.

I could see next year's line-up shaping up like:

Saad - Toews - Hossa
Sharp - Bolland - Kane
Kruger/Shaw - Shaw/Kruger - Morin
Carcillo - UFA - Beach/J.Hayes
Bollig

Keith - Seabrook
Hammer - Oduya
Leddy - Brookbank
Stanton

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Emery?/UFA

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02-23-2013, 07:39 PM
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Danault just scored the OT winner for Moncton, his second of the game. He also had 2 assists for 4 points in total. That's 7 points in his last 2 games and his season point total shows as:

48GP, 20G, 51A, 71Pts

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02-23-2013, 08:42 PM
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Danault just scored the OT winner for Moncton, his second of the game. He also had 2 assists for 4 points in total. That's 7 points in his last 2 games and his season point total shows as:

48GP, 20G, 51A, 71Pts
Such a beast. I am psyched to see what he does on the Hawks; it looks like that time is going to come soon from the looks of it as well.

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02-24-2013, 12:51 AM
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Danault just scored the OT winner for Moncton, his second of the game. He also had 2 assists for 4 points in total. That's 7 points in his last 2 games and his season point total shows as:

48GP, 20G, 51A, 71Pts
You just get the feeling he will be fast-tracked to the Hawks like Leddy and Saad were. At this point I would be surprised if he doesn't make the Hawks roster in September. Outside chance even for this spring depending on when he's available and if the Hawks have injuries that opened up gaping holes.

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Teräväinen scored Jokerit's game winner in the shootout when Jokerit beat local rival HIFK. Video of the goal

On Friday he assisted Jokerit's first goal against Ilves. Video of the goal

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Teräväinen scored Jokerit's game winner in the shootout when Jokerit beat local rival HIFK. Video of the goal

On Friday he assisted Jokerit's first goal against Ilves. Video of the goal
When the games get tougher Teuvo gets better.

And yes, I think he is going to spend next season in Finland.

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02-24-2013, 02:12 AM
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When the games get tougher Teuvo gets better.

And yes, I think he is going to spend next season in Finland.
Great to hear. I think most of us expected him to spend another season in Finland. Thanks for the updates

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02-24-2013, 12:52 PM
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You just get the feeling he will be fast-tracked to the Hawks like Leddy and Saad were. At this point I would be surprised if he doesn't make the Hawks roster in September. Outside chance even for this spring depending on when he's available and if the Hawks have injuries that opened up gaping holes.
I get that feeling with Danault too.. I just don't want him making the team if he's only going to be a 4th liner. I'm not saying he couldn't contribute from the 4th line, but I'd rather him having a top-9 role on the team if he's to make the team.

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02-24-2013, 02:13 PM
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if he joins us for the POs, I would take him on the 4th line.

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02-24-2013, 03:14 PM
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I get that feeling with Danault too.. I just don't want him making the team if he's only going to be a 4th liner. I'm not saying he couldn't contribute from the 4th line, but I'd rather him having a top-9 role on the team if he's to make the team.
I have no problem with him starting off with 4th line minutes.imo he projects as Bolland's replacement in a couple of yrs.If the Hawks continue to roll 4 lines like they have been,he will get a chance to play and learn.If he goes to Rockford,chances are they try to play him in a top 6 role which(imho)is not correct use of his skillset.Picture Bolland with the ability to win faceoffs.

If he shows enough to stick then why not.I also like the idea of him learning how to win NHL faceoffs from Toews.Kid seems to have a natural feel for it and learning from one of the best can only help.

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02-24-2013, 03:47 PM
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Hayes was never really hyped by anyone. To the contrary he was immediately called a reach by many. I see him being a middle-six tweener. A Hayes-Bolland-Hayes line could potentially be a beastly shutdown line.

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02-24-2013, 04:09 PM
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Yep, Jonathan Drouin can play hockey pretty well.

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02-25-2013, 12:48 AM
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he could end up as 1st overall pick... depends on the team who will pick 1st. If they need a F prospect badly, I think they would take him over Jones

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I watched that 4 times and still was not sick of watching it. That was unlike anything I have ever seen. Man his motor was like Shaw with the skills of Kane. It goes to show you what a smaller speedy player can do.

All of those fakes would never happen in the NHL but several of them would. Ridiculous work ethic.

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