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02-23-2013, 11:06 PM
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Yeah, just as expected. Hero to goat in one game. He has a poor game (for him) and the same old accusations start to fly from some. Doesn't matter what he has done for this team or that everyone else has been playing poorly, it is him that will shoulder the blame. The mythological Semin will emerge. I doubt that's the case in the locker room however. But without fan support, perhaps this isn't the team for him and all the "if we sign Semin" problems are over. There will be 6-7 million to use to do better.

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02-24-2013, 02:53 AM
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If you're looking for a team that won't criticize a player for having a poor game, you're looking for the impossible. No one blamed him solely for the game, but tonight, he was part of the problem (ie: the anemic offense).

Players get criticized, Semin is no different

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02-24-2013, 09:27 AM
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He took a late penalty tonight leading to a comeback-killing, game-sealing TB PP goal. All that stuff you wrote has been negated.
That's not myopic at all.

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02-24-2013, 10:27 AM
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That's not myopic at all.
Only those with a high degree of ingrained myopicity would mistakedly interpret my previous post as serious.

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02-24-2013, 01:01 PM
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Only those with a high degree of ingrained myopicity would mistakedly interpret my previous post as serious.
I laughed at your original post.

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02-24-2013, 01:24 PM
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Was tonight the first of many "Lazy Semin" appearances?
I don't know, but I believe it was the 400th or so appearance of Lazy Eric Staal.

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02-24-2013, 04:04 PM
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Every player has bad games from time to time. Hopefully this isn't the start of a 5 game invisible act.

Usually he follows a "bad" streak by a great offensive streak. He hasn't really had one this year yet though.

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02-24-2013, 07:58 PM
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Was tonight the first of many "Lazy Semin" appearances?
2 primary assists in about 30 seconds to tie the game

So..... No

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02-24-2013, 08:07 PM
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02-24-2013, 08:36 PM
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2 primary assists in about 30 seconds to tie the game

So..... No
NHL.com only shows him with 1 A?

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02-24-2013, 08:37 PM
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NHL.com only shows him with 1 A?
NHL.com is wrong. He made the pass to Jordan Staal

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02-24-2013, 08:39 PM
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Solves MT Knett to cap a 3 point night.

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02-24-2013, 08:46 PM
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Beardy was right. NHL.com has changed it.

3 point night, let's see what lies in wait for Washington.

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02-24-2013, 08:48 PM
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E.Staal can play a bad game or take a bad penalty and nothing. Semin, and people are all over the guy. Shameful really.
Honestly I'm fine with Semin taking even two minor penalties a game. Unless he goes above that I won't be complaining about penaltiesa

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02-24-2013, 09:30 PM
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Yeah NHL.com fixed their stats. I missed the game.

So, did Semin "fluke" into 3 points or was it a well played game. 2 primary assists are certainly encouraging. I'll have to see the highlights.

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02-24-2013, 09:34 PM
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First goal, he shot the puck, and before anyone knew where it was, Eric Staal batted it in.

Second goal, he led the rush, and passed it to Jordan Staal.

Amazing effort on the empty net.

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02-24-2013, 09:43 PM
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02-25-2013, 06:31 AM
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I don't understand us complaining about is PIM... He's taken 8 minors in 17 games... Estaal has had much more time in the box...

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02-25-2013, 07:04 AM
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I don't understand us complaining about is PIM... He's taken 8 minors in 17 games... Estaal has had much more time in the box...
ES - 26 min., JS - 16 min., AS - 16 min. Anyway, these guys log more ice time and are intense players. Nothing really unusual or extreme for any of them.


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02-25-2013, 07:11 AM
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I wanted to try and understand what type of impact could be attributed to Semin regarding Staal. While we all agree that except for a couple of games, Staal has played some great hockey this year, but if you recall, he did at times last year after Muller became coach and had a very similar streak last year. Will be interesting to see how this looks as the season continues.

Staal after Muller took over last year:

Game Played: 57
Goals: 19 (4 on PP)
Assists: 40 (15 on PP)
Points: 59 (19 on PP or 32% of his total)
PPG: 1.04
+/-: -3
FO%: 53%
Streaks: He had a 12 game streak in Feb/Mar where he had 21 point (7G, 14A) and was a + 11.

Staal this season:
Games played: 17
Goals: 9 (2 on PP)
Assists: 10 (2 on PP)
Points: 19 (4 on PP or 21% of his total)
PPG: 1.12
+/-: +11
FO %: 52%
Streaks: He had an 11 game streak where he had 17 points (8G, 9A) and was a + 12.

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02-25-2013, 07:21 AM
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No he's not. His career average in points per season is closer to 40, around 42 if my calculations are correct. Ruutu has broken the 50 point barrier twice in his NHL career, and never passed 40 in any other season. He's overpaid, and highly overrated. His last season, he didn't even hit people....which was his biggest asset. And if you want to blame that on injury, that just gives me more ammo against the guy as being injury prone.

That's about as accurate as saying LaRose is a regular 20 goal winger!
I don't really care for "career numbers", because they skew the data based on a player that doesn't exist anymore. When Ruutu played for Chicago he was never healthy except for his rookie season. For Carolina, he has largely been exactly the player that I described. Granted, it's easy to bag on the guy because he's hurt right now.

PPG with Carolina:

07-08: 0.65 (53.3 points/82)
08-09: 0.68 (55.8 points/82)
09-10: 0.65 (53.3 points/82)
10-11: 0.70 (57.4 points/82)
11-12: 0.47 (38.5 points/82)

Sample size: 304 games of 341 possible games from 07-08 through 11-12. 89% of possible games played. 191 points in those 304 games. 51.5 points per 82 games with Carolina over his career here. It's pretty simple math.

I think it's a *tiny* bit more probable that last year was the exception instead of the rule in regards to Ruutu's production here. We have quite a bit more evidence to the fact that whatever he was dealing with last year that caused him to have offseason hip surgery was a factor in his less than stellar season.

As for the Larose example, you may not like it but he's a hell of a lot closer to a 20 goal scorer HERE than you'd probably like to admit if you dislike him. He had 19 in 67 games here last year. I think the issue you're having trouble with is the projection against actual created totals. When Ruutu is in the lineup, he's scoring at an obvious 50 point pace. When he's not, he's not scoring at all obviously. With that said, a guy who has played 89% of possible games does not fall under my category of being injury prone per say. I would say he's a guy that plays pretty banged up pretty often, much like Erik Cole, but probably not any more injury prone than anybody else that plays a similar style.

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02-25-2013, 07:44 AM
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Vagrant, the problem using PPG and equating it to an 82 game schedule is that about every other season, he misses time due to injury..and part of it IMO is his style of play.

08/09: 79GP, 54 Points
09/10: 54GP, 35 Points
10/11: 82GP, 57 Points
11/10: 72GP, 34 points

So I agree he's a 50 point player when he is healthy for a full season, but of his 9 season in the NHL, he now has 5 seasons in which he's missed 10 or more games.

Although I wasn't as negative about JR signing him as some others were, my concerns were (and will continue to be) how well he holds up given his style of play. This season just adds to that concern.

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02-25-2013, 07:45 AM
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"Predictions" don't win games or Cups. Period.

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02-25-2013, 07:49 AM
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That was also with a lot of top line minutes... 19 goals playing on a top line isn't really that nice of a stat... 19 goals in a 3rd line roll is impressive

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02-25-2013, 09:26 AM
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I don't think we can just ignore the fact that Ruutu had less than half a point-per-game last season and followed it up by suffering yet another serious injury. He looked like a player who was breaking down last season and a year-and-a-half away from hockey isn't likely to help with that. His skating is barely NHL caliber and is a large reason why his physical play took a huge drop off as well. He went from someone who would bulldoze over players multiple times a game and actually get the puck to the Chad LaRose "hit players two seconds after they've already moved the puck out of the zone" style of forechecking that accomplishes nothing.

If Ruutu is a physical 50 point winger, Jussi Jokinen is a 30 goal scorer.

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