Enlighten me. Skates leaving ice? Head first point of contact? Show me.
Watch the clip you can see Paches skates leave the ice.please take off the homer glasses. McD was turning yes as he was taking the puck along the boards. It sucks but he did leave his feet.
Watch the clip you can see Paches skates leave the ice.please take off the homer glasses. McD was turning yes as he was taking the puck along the boards. It sucks but he did leave his feet.
The skates don't leave the ice prior to contact, hence it's a non-factor.
Craig Button on the NHL Network didn't even think the play was worth a penalty. Blamed McDonagh for not protecting himself and turning into Max.
There's that and all the times the player gets the puck and turns his back to the oncoming player to try and get away, but instead gets drilled from behind.
This hit is common, but not to the severity of this hit.
If you watch the clip he drives through the hit but leaves his feet you can see his feet come back to the ice after the hit.
His feet don't leave the ice until after the initial contact, therefore it doesn't matter it was part of the collision at that point. McD should learn to not turn away from an oncoming train. As Don used to say McD got caught in the Trolly Tracks!
Ranger fan here... but I like to feel that I can be objective...
1. No way in hell was that a clean hit. That hit is the very definition of boarding. He turned into it a bit, but it wasn't one of those ridiculous calls you sometimes see where the guy is completely sideways and completely turns at the last second.
2. He was obviously running him in retaliation, but I'm not going to sit here and say that he was trying to kill him and dramatize it. These are men - you get hit, then you want to throw a hit back. He went overboard, but I don't think he was looking to break the guys neck.
3. If McDonagh gets right back on the ice then there is no hearing.
4. If there are no priors then I think a suspension is too much - with priors I think 1 or 2 games is fair - anything more is ridiculous. I think it was more or less a straight boarding play. It was bad, but nothing crazy.
Not to criticize you guys - we are the same way - it's funny how every fanbase thinks there team is unfairly targeted. I don't think any teams fans think they are treated fairly.
*I honestly think that his intention was just to throw a hard hit, but he went overboard. It is what it is.
Edit: One last point. Guys blaming McDonagh for not shying away? You don't want your players to take a hit to make a play? It's the hitters responsibility to hold up a bit - not crush every guy whose back is to the boards and say 'they should have known they were going to get hit and moved.' If this was Asham crushing Subban then would you honestly be saying.. 'Well, gee... Subban was going to play the puck, but he should have known Asham was bhind him so I think it's Subbans fault.'
Ranger fan here... but I like to feel that I can be objective...
1. No way in hell was that a clean hit. That hit is the very definition of boarding. He turned into it a bit, but it wasn't one of those ridiculous calls you sometimes see where the guy is completely sideways and completely turns at the last second.
2. He was obviously running him in retaliation, but I'm not going to sit here and say that he was trying to kill him and dramatize it. These are men - you get hit, then you want to throw a hit back. He went overboard, but I don't think he was looking to break the guys neck.
3. If McDonagh gets right back on the ice then there is no hearing.
4. If there are no priors then I think a suspension is too much - with priors I think 1 or 2 games is fair - anything more is ridiculous. I think it was more or less a straight boarding play. It was bad, but nothing crazy.
Not to criticize you guys - we are the same way - it's funny how every fanbase thinks there team is unfairly targeted. I don't think any teams fans think they are treated fairly.
Pretty fair post all around. Good input.
To be honest, only some fans think that the Habs are unfairly treated by the league. Most of us don't have a tinfoil hat on.
Ranger fan here... but I like to feel that I can be objective...
1. No way in hell was that a clean hit. That hit is the very definition of boarding. He turned into it a bit, but it wasn't one of those ridiculous calls you sometimes see where the guy is completely sideways and completely turns at the last second.
2. He was obviously running him in retaliation, but I'm not going to sit here and say that he was trying to kill him and dramatize it. These are men - you get hit, then you want to throw a hit back. He went overboard, but I don't think he was looking to break the guys neck.
3. If McDonagh gets right back on the ice then there is no hearing.
4. If there are no priors then I think a suspension is too much - with priors I think 1 or 2 games is fair - anything more is ridiculous. I think it was more or less a straight boarding play. It was bad, but nothing crazy.
Not to criticize you guys - we are the same way - it's funny how every fanbase thinks there team is unfairly targeted. I don't think any teams fans think they are treated fairly.
Ranger fan here... but I like to feel that I can be objective...
1. No way in hell was that a clean hit. That hit is the very definition of boarding. He turned into it a bit, but it wasn't one of those ridiculous calls you sometimes see where the guy is completely sideways and completely turns at the last second.
2. He was obviously running him in retaliation, but I'm not going to sit here and say that he was trying to kill him and dramatize it. These are men - you get hit, then you want to throw a hit back. He went overboard, but I don't think he was looking to break the guys neck.
3. If McDonagh gets right back on the ice then there is no hearing.
4. If there are no priors then I think a suspension is too much - with priors I think 1 or 2 games is fair - anything more is ridiculous. I think it was more or less a straight boarding play. It was bad, but nothing crazy.
Not to criticize you guys - we are the same way - it's funny how every fanbase thinks there team is unfairly targeted. I don't think any teams fans think they are treated fairly.
*I honestly think that his intention was just to throw a hard hit, but he went overboard. It is what it is.
I agree with all of this. This is fair. It's no "conspiracy" (although I hate how Pacioretty is going to be judged as a guy with a record, while the likes of Chara still have no disciplinary record, but that's another story), Pacioretty overreacted, and the only person who deserves blame besides Patches himself is the ref who didn't call anything on McDonagh's hit, which would have stopped Pacioretty from feeling the need to take action himself. It was a bad hit though.
Schenn on Gallagher does not get a hearing but this does ? What a laughable joke this league is.
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I'm ok with a hearing for this.... but....
All I'm hearing in the press is that Patches did this because McDo hit him... probably true. Lets go back a couple years, to the Chara thing.... everyone and his dog knew that was retaliation but you can't prove that kind of thing so Chara got nothing. It'll be ironic if Patches gets suspended for this.
Also, not for nothing but... if I'm patches and I get my bell rung by another player, and I also know this league has done nothing to protect me in the past, I'm going to do something about it myself. This probably doesn't happen if McDo had been assessed a penalty. Perhaps the next time someone thinks about running him they'll think twice.
As for the hit... McDo knew he was coming and had a clear choice to continue around the boards, he'll probably lose the puck and create a chance, but.... he chose to turn into a vulnerable position.
I find it amusing that this gets a hearing, but, Colton Orr in a clear rage over his stick being tossed going after a knee doesn't. This is why the NHL has injury problems. Don't punish the result, punish the intent and you'll have far less injuries.
Well they should suspend the clown that intentionally hit Gallagher with his stick right on the face while the kid just came out of a concussion. The only reason pacioretty gets an hearing is because of torts tantrum... Bush league... Shanahan and quintal are a sad joke
Ranger fan here... but I like to feel that I can be objective...
1. No way in hell was that a clean hit. That hit is the very definition of boarding. He turned into it a bit, but it wasn't one of those ridiculous calls you sometimes see where the guy is completely sideways and completely turns at the last second.
2. He was obviously running him in retaliation, but I'm not going to sit here and say that he was trying to kill him and dramatize it. These are men - you get hit, then you want to throw a hit back. He went overboard, but I don't think he was looking to break the guys neck.
3. If McDonagh gets right back on the ice then there is no hearing.
4. If there are no priors then I think a suspension is too much - with priors I think 1 or 2 games is fair - anything more is ridiculous. I think it was more or less a straight boarding play. It was bad, but nothing crazy.
Not to criticize you guys - we are the same way - it's funny how every fanbase thinks there team is unfairly targeted. I don't think any teams fans think they are treated fairly.
*I honestly think that his intention was just to throw a hard hit, but he went overboard. It is what it is.
Edit: One last point. Guys blaming McDonagh for not shying away? You don't want your players to take a hit to make a play? It's the hitters responsibility to hold up a bit - not crush every guy whose back is to the boards and say 'they should have known they were going to get hit and moved.' If this was Asham crushing Subban then would you honestly be saying.. 'Well, gee... Subban was going to play the puck, but he should have known Asham was bhind him so I think it's Subbans fault.'
Not suspension worthy. It was a boarding. Penalty. Done.
Anyways, this would've all been a non-story if Gainey hadn't traded him away
Even as a Rangers fan I don't think he should be suspended. He will be because Shannahan will look at it as a retaliatory hit Vs a normal hockey play.
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