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02-24-2013, 11:02 AM
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Ranger fan here... but I like to feel that I can be objective...

1. No way in hell was that a clean hit. That hit is the very definition of boarding. He turned into it a bit, but it wasn't one of those ridiculous calls you sometimes see where the guy is completely sideways and completely turns at the last second.

2. He was obviously running him in retaliation, but I'm not going to sit here and say that he was trying to kill him and dramatize it. These are men - you get hit, then you want to throw a hit back. He went overboard, but I don't think he was looking to break the guys neck.

3. If McDonagh gets right back on the ice then there is no hearing.

4. If there are no priors then I think a suspension is too much - with priors I think 1 or 2 games is fair - anything more is ridiculous. I think it was more or less a straight boarding play. It was bad, but nothing crazy.

Not to criticize you guys - we are the same way - it's funny how every fanbase thinks there team is unfairly targeted. I don't think any teams fans think they are treated fairly.

*I honestly think that his intention was just to throw a hard hit, but he went overboard. It is what it is.

Edit: One last point. Guys blaming McDonagh for not shying away? You don't want your players to take a hit to make a play? It's the hitters responsibility to hold up a bit - not crush every guy whose back is to the boards and say 'they should have known they were going to get hit and moved.' If this was Asham crushing Subban then would you honestly be saying.. 'Well, gee... Subban was going to play the puck, but he should have known Asham was bhind him so I think it's Subbans fault.'
No one is saying he should shy away, but let's be real here. McDo hung a sharp left turn with his shoulder down. I'm not sure how Pax could have held up. It works two ways if you don't want McDo to shy away, how can you punish Pax for not shying away in a situation where it's the other player who clearly put himself in a vulnerable position.

I agree with some of your sentiment, but let's not pretend you can be impartial. In your first point you say he turns into it (BTW it's more than a bit), but not at last second. By this statement you confirm what we all know, he saw Patches coming but decided to turn into him. Case closed. Can't possibly suspend a guy for a hockey play. This play happens every game, if McDo clears around the far boards and continues skating the worst that happens is a glancing blow. He decides (or it's your system) to play the puck against the flow of traffic... bad things happen when you do that and your name is not Gretzky.

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02-24-2013, 11:04 AM
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Not Suspension worthy but suspended nonetheless

Some people just have the deck stacked against them, no matter how hard they work, how much they persevere, they will always get the short end of the stick.

Unfortunately it appears as though Max Pac is one of those players. Plays the game the way it should be played and incurs the wrath of the NHL, while many other payers do the same if not worse and get commended for it.

I am just worried that after this suspension he will not be the same player, remember after his first suspension (which was a borderline to begin with imo) he was afraid to hit anyone. this time I am afraid his fear of "playing hockey" will last longer.

Get the impression that he will become a perimeter player who doesn't hit anyone and will become an easy target for opposing players to take runs at because of his "record"

Hope I am wrong...

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02-24-2013, 11:08 AM
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Schenn on Gallagher does not get a hearing but this does ?
As much as I hate to admit this, this does suck. Pac is guilty even if it won't be a serious punishment. But if you call this for a meeting with Shanny than you have to call the Schenn on Gally hit.


Some call it double standards, I just call it inconsistancy

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02-24-2013, 11:13 AM
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Borderline boarding. Whether it is or not, I still consider it a strong hockey play. McDonagh was going all Giroux or Malkin, skill player thinking he could kick us in the nuts time after time again. Well, now he'll learn to soften up against us.

Pacioretty DID NOT leave his feet and McDonagh was already close to the boards.

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02-24-2013, 11:16 AM
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Some people just have the deck stacked against them, no matter how hard they work, how much they persevere, they will always get the short end of the stick.

Unfortunately it appears as though Max Pac is one of those players. Plays the game the way it should be played and incurs the wrath of the NHL, while many other payers do the same if not worse and get commended for it.

I am just worried that after this suspension he will not be the same player, remember after his first suspension (which was a borderline to begin with imo) he was afraid to hit anyone. this time I am afraid his fear of "playing hockey" will last longer.

Get the impression that he will become a perimeter player who doesn't hit anyone and will become an easy target for opposing players to take runs at because of his "record"

Hope I am wrong...
He will probably get a fine, or one game at the worst which he would not have if he didn't jump into McD. He cold have crushed him without the jump.

I like MaxPac. I think he is a real good player. Even real good players get carried away sometimes.

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20 game suspension. There's just no way any Habs can injure or fight people. We have to be the ragdolls...not the other way around. League isn't ready for this.

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No one is saying he should shy away, but let's be real here. McDo hung a sharp left turn with his shoulder down. I'm not sure how Pax could have held up. It works two ways if you don't want McDo to shy away, how can you punish Pax for not shying away in a situation where it's the other player who clearly put himself in a vulnerable position.

I agree with some of your sentiment, but let's not pretend you can be impartial. In your first point you say he turns into it (BTW it's more than a bit), but not at last second. By this statement you confirm what we all know, he saw Patches coming but decided to turn into him. Case closed. Can't possibly suspend a guy for a hockey play. This play happens every game, if McDo clears around the far boards and continues skating the worst that happens is a glancing blow. He decides (or it's your system) to play the puck against the flow of traffic... bad things happen when you do that and your name is not Gretzky.
I'm agreeing that he didn't intend to injure him. I'm agreeing that I wouldn't suspend him. I just think he will be suspended bc he has a prior and there was an injury.

This vulnerable position though is utter BS. He was skating straight back to get the puck - you act as if the guy did a 360 at the last possible second. You think Paccioretty wasn't looking for an opportunity to crush him? Of course he was - I'm not even saying that's a wrong outlook. He just went overboard. A straight hockey play? Are you kidding me? Mcdonagh didn't shy away from going to get the puck - ok, then you know what? Let's bash everybody whose vulnerable head first into the boards - it's their fault - they should know better! Of course Paccioretty couldn't hold up - he had no idea where Mcdonagh was going - you know - straight at the puck.

It was a bad hit no matter how you want to phrase it - but it was a straight boarding call - nothing more.

I can't be impartial? My team hasn't won a game since Lucic crushed Rick Nash head into the boards. Some people on our board want his head. I'll tell you what I told them - clean, hard check.

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Borderline boarding. Whether it is or not, I still consider it a strong hockey play. McDonagh was going all Giroux or Malkin, skill player thinking he could kick us in the nuts time after time again. Well, now he'll learn to soften up against us.

Pacioretty DID NOT leave his feet and McDonagh was already close to the boards.
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He did not leave his feet? This picture begs to differ.

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02-24-2013, 11:31 AM
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He should get a fine but nothing more.

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He did not leave his feet? This picture begs to differ.
That picture is after the initial contact. Of course he left his feet after the hit, that's Newton's Third Law of Physics.

Based on what has generally been called, it shouldn't be a suspension. Based on what I think it should be called it is a suspension. But with Shanaban its always a crapshoot.

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He did not leave his feet? This picture begs to differ.
That's retarded. It's the bump that occurs after the hit.

This picture says it all :



When Pacioretty touches McDo, his two skates are firmly standing on the ice.

This jumping crap is mad **** crazy and completely delusional. What the eff is wrong with people.

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He did not leave his feet? This picture begs to differ.

And in this similar case, the red car's front wheel went up in the air BEFORE impact

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He did not leave his feet? This picture begs to differ.
Um.... pretty sure you need to leave your feet before the hit. Get a picture of the point of contact then we can make a decision. That picture tells nothing.

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He did not leave his feet? This picture begs to differ.
You're free to leave your feet after initial contact. That has always been the case.

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He did not leave his feet? This picture begs to differ.
Funny. Seeing the magnificent pose of McDonagh, I'd think that this picture was being taken DURING the hit. Not BEFORE.

And, last time we check, it's not illegal to leave your feet (what a funny idiom when you think about it) during the hit. Actually, it's often expected to happen most of the time; simple elastic force at work.

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He did not leave his feet? This picture begs to differ.
That's after initial contact. I can show you pictures from hits that no one got hurt where players leave their feet after initial contact.

However, that pictures does show that the head is the initial point of contact, so that's good for Pacioretty's case. Should still land him 1-2 games.

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The amount of ******** in the Rangers board PGT is off the charts regarding this issue.

They're acting as if he were a regular Matt Cooke out there. :S

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He did not leave his feet? This picture begs to differ.
That pic is AFTER the hit was delivered. You're allowed to and expected to follow though on a hit or it wouldn't be effective. It's illegal to leave your feet BEFORE the hit.

It sucks to have a key player get injured but pax did t hit him illegally. It was a hard hit and had McD braced himself and not turned his back to Pax a moment before the hit, he'd have finished the game and that would have been that.

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After having watched the video a couple of more times, I say the NHL will have enough evidence to stick 3-4 games on Pacioretty.

Retaliation (intent), left his feet during the hit, recidivist, concussion (injury).

Cannot wait to hear Shanahan!

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The amount of ******** in the Rangers board PGT is off the charts regarding this issue.

They're acting as if he were a regular Matt Cooke out there. :S
I love the guys saying it was classless of PK to take a slap shot that hurt Girardi but didn't mention the Bickle gutless hit on Gally that caused the penalty to begin with.

Rags...

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After having watched the video a couple of more times, I say the NHL will have enough evidence to stick 3-4 games on Pacioretty.

Retaliation (intent), left his feet during the hit, recidivist, concussion (injury).

Cannot wait to hear Shanahan!
If they actually use this as an argument, it means the Rangers will be forced to play without McDo for 7 days due to Concussion Protocol, no?

Also, he did not lift his feet of the ice before the hit. It's wasn't a jump in, it was a jump-out.

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Funny. Seeing the magnificent pose of McDonagh, I'd think that this picture was being taken DURING the hit. Not BEFORE.

And, last time we check, it's not illegal to leave your feet (what a funny idiom when you think about it) during the hit. Actually, it's often expected to happen most of the time; simple elastic force at work.
Either that or McDonagh was smashing his own face into the glass while Pacioretty took a flying leap into him.

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After having watched the video a couple of more times, I say the NHL will have enough evidence to stick 3-4 games on Pacioretty.

Retaliation (intent), left his feet during the hit, recidivist, concussion (injury).

Cannot wait to hear Shanahan!
Has anyone been suspended for something like that? Even though I'm sure he didn't go easy on McD knowing that he boarded him prior, there really isn't any way to actually prove such a claim.

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FFS, he finished his check just like Schenn finished his on BGally or just like Lucic finished his on Nash. McD even turned as he saw Pac coming. Typical that when we do something borderline, we get the hammer but we don't see other teams being punished when they do it to us.

Here's a list:
Chara on Pac
Ference middle finger
Malone on Campoli
Schenn on BGally
Sauer on AK46
Some Bruin on Halpern in the PO

All these went unpunished. Hey, fine by me but we need to be able to act the same way. It's only fair.
There's always been a double standard against the Habs. Shannahan proudly carrying on the tradition like the lackey he is....

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All max has to do with regards to the 'revenge' card the NHL might pull is claim that he had no idea where McD was, that he was even on the ice, and that he had no idea they were so close to the boards..

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