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02-24-2013, 11:10 AM
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Does anyone know how the playoffs would work? Could the 1st place team from the "Atlantic" division play the 4th place finisher from the "Pacific" Division?
No. 1st 2 rounds would be in-conference. That's a big part of this, having the 1st 2 rounds of the playoffs nearly all in the same timezone.

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02-24-2013, 11:11 AM
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Ok, so after the 1st 2 rounds, the atlantic champion could face the pacific champion. Its not like they have to face the northeast champion every year, right?

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Right. It would be reseeded based on regular season points. At least that's what was planned last year.

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02-24-2013, 11:18 AM
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If Florida and Tampa were in that proposed division revenue would increase greatly. I also think that division is the most highlight reel one of all and the publicity for the panthers and lightning would be great. I personally love it, even though it means more traveling.

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02-24-2013, 11:19 AM
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I've been asking two questions, one here and one in the Main Board thread, but as of yet I haven't got an answer to either. So I'll flip the questions and ask the other one here.

Regarding that wildcard scenario which has apparently been suggested for the East: Is that a wildcard play-in within the Conference or within the Division? With a top-8 Playoff, I'd think that it would be in the Conference, but... ??

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Happy to see Winnipeg in a division with mostly central time zone teams. This is far more important to me than being in a division with another Canadian team. Too bad Colorado is in that mix, as they are in the mountain time zone. Will miss the early starts of the eastern time zone games. Happy that we get to be lumped in with the next closest NHL team (Minnesota). Three other teams (Chicago, Dallas, St. Louis) were in the same division as the Jets when they moved to Phoenix following 95/96. Colorado had been in the Pacific. Nashville did not yet exist.

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I personally don't like the idea of two traditionally west teams or east teams in the final. Other than that it looks pretty good.

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I've been asking two questions, one here and one in the Main Board thread, but as of yet I haven't got an answer to either. So I'll flip the questions and ask the other one here.

Regarding that wildcard scenario which has apparently been suggested for the East: Is that a wildcard play-in within the Conference or within the Division? With a top-8 Playoff, I'd think that it would be in the Conference, but... ??
It wasn't made clear, because they didn't seem to know or choose to report what they thought it was.

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02-24-2013, 11:27 AM
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True alignment should be:

EASTERN CONFERENCE
Northeast: Boston, Buffalo, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto
East: New Jersey, New York I, New York R, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh
Southeast: Carolina, Columbus, Florida, Tampa Bay, Washington

WESTERN CONFERENCE
Central: Detroit, Chicago, Minnesota, Nashville, St. Louis
Northwest: Calgary, Colorado, Edmonton, Vancouver, Winnipeg
Southwest: Anaheim, Dallas, Los Angeles, Phoenix, San Jose

Same playoff format.
6 x 4 division games.
2(or 3) x 10 conference games.
2 x 15 interconference games.

= 74(or 84) game season.

Why can't the NHL just keep it this simple and clean?


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02-24-2013, 11:29 AM
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True alignment should be:



Northeast: Boston, Buffalo, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto

East: New Jersey, New York I, New York R, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh

Southeast: Carolina, Columbus, Florida, Tampa Bay, Washington



Central: Detroit, Chicago, Minnesota, Nashville, St. Louis

Northwest: Calgary, Colorado, Edmonton, Vancouver, Winnipeg

Southwest: Anaheim, Dallas, Los Angeles, Phoenix, San Jose
That setup sucks for Colorado and Dallas.

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That setup sucks for Colorado and Dallas.
And Detroit

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02-24-2013, 11:32 AM
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Wasn't the NHLPAs biggest concern last year the competitive imbalance? Now they've just shifted that imbalance from west to east.
This.

8 out of 14
-v-
8 out of 16

seems very unbalanced

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02-24-2013, 11:33 AM
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It wasn't made clear, because they didn't seem to know or choose to report what they thought it was.
If we may just comment about that for a moment... If it's a Conference thing, then I truly can't see how a Wildcard play-in would be any less complicated than a possible single crossover matchup in each Round. And again, if it's a Conference wildcard scenario, and the 5th place team wins, then there's going to be a crossover anyway. Or, another question of doubt: Have they tossed the Divisional Playoff idea with this proposal? Perhaps these are all things that we just don't know yet (I mean about the proposal.)

I can't see the sense of just presenting an alignment if it doesn't include all the scheduling and Playoff variables that would go with it. But then, I guess I should learn by now not to expect too much logic in any of this.

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02-24-2013, 11:34 AM
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Frankly, this screams expansion in the west. Portland and Seattle?

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Ok, what about a look at the potential of this alignment passing...
I don't see anything which would cause the 3 teams that voted against the previous proposal not also voting against this one, so that's 3.
Most here seem to think that Chicago, Nashville, and St Louis would vote against Detroit leaving the Division, so that's another 3.
But that's still a potential 24/29 owners voting in favor.
I would assume that a lot of the East teams would vote against it based on having a bigger hill to climb to get into the playoffs.

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Frankly, this screams expansion in the west. Portland and Seattle?
It'll most likely be this:

No Phoenix Relo:

Expansion to Quebec and Seattle

Phoenix relo:

Expansion to Quebec and one of KC or Houston
Relo to Seattle.

Then Columbus will get moved back to one of the 'west' divisions, because no one gives a crap about Columbus, and most of the power is in the East--and once they've got Detroit, they're not giving them up over Cbus.

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This.

8 out of 14
-v-
8 out of 16

seems very unbalanced
I doubt they would even be talking about this if there wasn't a plan in place for 31 and 32. At least that would be my hope, I know I was one of the crowd moaning last year about it being unfair for western teams, and I certainly agree that it's not fair for eastern teams now either.

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That setup sucks for Colorado and Dallas.
There is actually no better set up for Dallas. Its best case scenario for Dallas.

Colorado gets the short end no matter what. Until another team moves west, then you can look at Detroit in the East.

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I would assume that a lot of the East teams would vote against it based on having a bigger hill to climb to get into the playoffs.
You're also assuming there's nothing in the works to balance out the playoff structuring temporarily until the inevitable expansion.

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Yes, let's put Tampa and Florida in a conference with the teams in the east who are furthest away from them.

This is terrible.

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Frankly, this screams expansion in the west. Portland and Seattle?
And 14 months ago screamed of what?

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I would assume that a lot of the East teams would vote against it based on having a bigger hill to climb to get into the playoffs.
The West didn't vote against a similar scenario 14 months ago.

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Yes, let's put Tampa and Florida in a conference with the teams in the east who are furthest away from them.

This is terrible.
Still can't see why Columbus couldn't stay with Detroit (Columbus - Detroit, Columbus - Pittsburgh, it's essentially the same) and add Carolina to that, and then the Florida teams join in with the NY and Pennsylvania teams.

We really have to think about this, frankly. The Florida teams don't want in with the Canadian teams, and Montreal openly stated that they don't want it either. So who's forcing that alignment? It has to be the Atlantic teams that don't want the Florida teams in their group. They're probably siding with Carolina and saying: Put Carolina with us, which then precludes the Florida teams being added into the Atlantic. **** that Atlantic Division!


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I remember Jason Chimera saying how this alignment was unfair to Winnipeg being the only Canadian team in that division/conference. Was that just his opinion or that of the NHLPA? Unless there are a lot of aspects to this alignment we don't know yet (which there probably are), I don't see how the NHLPA could disapprove of last year's plan and approve this new plan.
Most of the people here in Winnipeg do not really care about being the only Canadian team in that conference. That conference works great for Winnipeg IMO

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There is actually no better set up for Dallas. Its best case scenario for Dallas.

Colorado gets the short end no matter what. Until another team moves west, then you can look at Detroit in the East.
The BEST scenario, in your opinion, is for Dallas to remain in a division where all of its other division opponents are two time zones away?

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Hawks get bent over, Wings get everything they want. They get less travel, better time zone, weaker competition and 3 other original six teams in their conference. Hawks lose a main rival and are the only original 6 team left in the leftover conferences. I still can't believe that the Wings get to escape the Blues and Hawks grasps at this point in time. It would've been fun dominating the division for the next 10 years and leaving the Wings in the dust but now it looks like Blues/Hawks is the only real rivalry in the entire conference.

The sad part is that if the Wings were in the Blues and Hawks conference then basically all their problems would be solved anyways. Wasn't that the reason we went to this stupid 4 conference format anyways? To make the Wings happy by cutting travel and no more 10PM starts but to still keep them in the "Western Conference"?
You don't stay up too late, do you?

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