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It was a ****-show at the end of the game. Shaw got boarded going for the puck behind the net, which wasn't called because SJ was trying to tie the game and then Shaw gets up and proceeds to board the next person he sees (Pavelski), which he should have gotten a 5-minute major for, not that it mattered with 8 seconds left and then Clowe jumped off the bench to defend his teammate after a really, really dangerous hit.. but it all started because the refs didn't have balls to make the proper call, despite the score or time remaining.
It's getting to the point where I think the only thing keeping the Hawks and Sharks from being considered true rivals is the lack of playoff series between the two. (The 2010 WCF sweep obviously wasn't enough)

The players don't like each other, but the games haven't been important enough where that really becomes a story.

A shame too, since I always thought of the Sharks as the Hawks' cousins in California. Lots of ties to Chicago in that organization from top to bottom.

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unless berg takes a fairly substantial discount im not sure its really feasible to sign him. damn shame too
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Someone's going to have to get jettisoned this year regardless, we have too many prospects in Rockford that are ready to get a look this year that probably won't because of how deep the Hawks are at forward. We'll have to wait until next year to see how Morin, Pirri, Smith and Hayes have developed so far this season. It's a pretty good problem to have, imo.
Morin, Pirri, Smith or Hayes will not be able to replace Stalberg. Likely not his 25/25 ES production, nor his speed which pushes back the D and gives others way more space to operate.

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For once I agree with you. Stalberg is not a replaceable piece.

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For once I agree with you. Stalberg is not a replaceable piece.
Really? Are you serious?

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Good yes, but never seen anything like it?

Watch most Bruin games, you'll see the same with lots of physicality mixed in. The league is just getting into gear. In the interviews last night, both Emery and Stalberg played things down and both pointed to the playoffs as when they gotta bring it.

BTW ... Bolland is day-to-day, upper body according to coach Q.
We get it, you don't like the Hawks.

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02-24-2013, 12:53 PM
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Morin, Pirri, Smith or Hayes will not be able to replace Stalberg. Likely not his 25/25 ES production, nor his speed which pushes back the D and gives others way more space to operate.
I don't recall Stalberg ever getting 25/25 production.

If he's a 25/25 player, Bolland is a 50pt C.

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02-24-2013, 01:47 PM
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as of now, I'm happy with Stalberg. Calling him "not replaceable" is a bit over the top, don't you think?


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I don't recall Stalberg ever getting 25/25 production.

If he's a 25/25 player, Bolland is a 50pt C.
Close enough for government work. Bolland is 4 seasons away from that production which really is less than I'd like to see for a #2C. Oh that's right he isn't a #2 C.

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It's getting to the point where I think the only thing keeping the Hawks and Sharks from being considered true rivals is the lack of playoff series between the two. (The 2010 WCF sweep obviously wasn't enough)

The players don't like each other, but the games haven't been important enough where that really becomes a story.

A shame too, since I always thought of the Sharks as the Hawks' cousins in California. Lots of ties to Chicago in that organization from top to bottom.
Yeah, I think our treatment of the Sharks reflects the fact they have a bit too much class to create an overwhelming amount of animosity between the two teams. That Hawks will take a lot of abuse in terms of being "soft" and only the dirtiest teams tend to get under our skin. It's the same situation with the Redwings.

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Really? Are you serious?
Name one prospect who can match Stalberg's speed down the wing.

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Name one prospect who can match Stalberg's speed down the wing.
Michael Grabner.

Regardless, one factor/skill shouldn't be a deciding factor in whether a player is replaceable or not. I'm not saying all Stalberg brings is speed, but the point remains.

EDIT: Thought you said player, not "prospect".

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Michael Grabner.

Regardless, one factor/skill shouldn't be a deciding factor in whether a player is replaceable or not. I'm not saying all Stalberg brings is speed, but the point remains.

EDIT: Thought you said player, not "prospect".
When the factor/skill is good size with great speed (two unteachable things) it's enough.

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It is great he has speed. He doesn't have much of a nose for the net. Stone hands. Doesn't PK and is occasionally on the PP. I don't think he would be considered 'not replaceable' strictly on speed. He needs to add something else to increase his value. What you see is most likely all that Stal is going to be.

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When the factor/skill is good size with great speed (two unteachable things) it's enough.
Yes, but Stalberg doesn't use his size like a big man. He uses if like a smaller player. He drives wide and if he has enough of a step on the defender, he drives the net. A guy his size should be going wide and driving to the net all day with his speed, but he doesn't. It's not like Stalberg imposes his will on the opposition.

I have no problem with Stalberg. He's been playing well this year. But unreplaceable? Big stretch IMO.

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Name one prospect who can match Stalberg's speed down the wing.

Tony Salmelainen.

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Close enough for government work. Bolland is 4 seasons away from that production which really is less than I'd like to see for a #2C. Oh that's right he isn't a #2 C.
He hasn't been a #2C until this year.

It's funny how you round up for certain players, but round down for others, that's what I was getting at.

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Tony Salmelainen.
Of course, he was useless in every other facet, unlike Stalberg.

But damn was he fast.

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Tony Salmelainen.
Lol. Salmonella currently in Swiss-A. Small and fast is a deadly combination to have for trying to stay in the NHL.

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Tony Salmelainen.
Fair but Samalainen bombed out of the NHL because he couldn't do anything else. Stalberg has already proven to be a valuable piece, and he continues to get better every year. I'm more inclined to give Stalberg 3 years at 3 million than Frolik or Odoodoo at their current contracts.

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Stalberg is no less replaceable than Byfuglien

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He hasn't been a #2C until this year.

It's funny how you round up for certain players, but round down for others, that's what I was getting at.
Specifically who have I rounded down?

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02-25-2013, 12:32 AM
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Stalberg is no less replaceable than Byfuglien
really?
I was never that big fan of Buff, but Stalberg should start scoring in the POs first before we end up with stuff like that.

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Stalberg is no less replaceable than Byfuglien
Byfuglien was replaced quite nicely by Bickell as the regular season guy that plays way below his potential. Playoff Buffy on the other hand...

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Byfuglien was replaced quite nicely by Bickell as the regular season guy that plays way below his potential. Playoff Buffy on the other hand...
I wasn't trying to compare their quality of play, but the rareness of their tools.

Guys with Buff's tools are rare like gold. Guys with Stalberg's are rare like bronze.

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