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02-24-2013, 02:13 PM
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Mike Smith is not the answer. If we go after anything from Phoenix, it needs to be their goalie coach, Sean Burke. He took Bryzgalov from a very good backup to a star goalie who left for a huge contract, only to be exposed as an average goalie who benefitted from his system. He then took perennial ball of suck Mike Smith and made him look like a star. Without Sean Burke, neither of these guys are star players.
Yep. He's also not going to be leaving unfortunately

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This. Hall and Eberle were benched a couple of times as well in their first seasons. IIRC, it was because they weren't backchecking that well.

Being benched is not the end of the world.

Yak needs the game to slow down for him and once that happens he's going to be very good. The problem is he is too jumpy and all over the place right now.

Of course it isn't, but according to some of the tall foreheads on here, it is a fireable offence.

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1st line in practice. Here is the full lineup: 94-93-14, 56-89-83, 64-54-91, 55-20-28 (Extras 4-10-37)

This lineup is horrible.

Hartikainen is being promoted for playing bad, smyth is being promoted for god knows what, and Yakupov is still stuck with VV. Hope is lost.
Smyth has been the best forward on the team since getting benched and its not even close.


If the lineup is horrible at producing anything right now maybe look at RNH.

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02-24-2013, 02:21 PM
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I don't know, 3210 points sounds like a lot to me. I mean, if a team wins 50 games in a year they will have 160,500 points at the end of the year. It sounds pretty cool, but could be a little confusing.
That wouldn't be a problem

But in all seriousness. With that point system, the Oilers would be a bit behind and closer to columbus since we have very few regular season wins. (and alot more blame on the team).


On topic. I thought the Oilers played a fairly good game last night and imo, they have played quite decent the last few games even if the results hasn't been that good. They are still a bit easy to play against and I'm very dissapointed in Eberle (above all) and to some extent RNH (since I had high hopes of him not hitting a sophomore slump). Gagner had another good game.

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He has let some softies in, but it certainly isn't every game, and he has bailed this team out in a lot of games this year. You could use the "soft goal every game" line last year. Not this year.
Counting shootout goals, the Columbus game is the only game all season that Dubnyk hasn't let in a softie. The second goal against Minnesota being the most recent soft goal.

Dubnyk is 1-3-3 in his last seven. He isn't a legit #1.

Too many other issues for this to be a priority this season, but if the right deal comes along ... why not get rid of him?

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Smyth has been the best forward on the team since getting benched and its not even close.


If the lineup is horrible at producing anything right now maybe look at RNH.
Smyth has played way better since being benched but he can't handle first line minutes, he was dragging the third period and OT yesterday.

and it would show Krueger has some balls to bench RNH or Eberle.

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02-24-2013, 02:23 PM
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Counting shootout goals, the Columbus game is the only game all season that Dubnyk hasn't let in a softie. The second goal against Minnesota being the most recent soft goal.

Dubnyk is 1-3-3 in his last seven. He isn't a legit #1.

Too many other issues for this to be a priority this season, but if the right deal comes along ... why not get rid of him?
The record of a goalie who's team barely scores two goals per game is basically irrelevant.

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02-24-2013, 02:25 PM
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Counting shootout goals, the Columbus game is the only game all season that Dubnyk hasn't let in a softie. The second goal against Minnesota being the most recent soft goal.

Dubnyk is 1-3-3 in his last seven. He isn't a legit #1.


Too many other issues for this to be a priority this season, but if the right deal comes along ... why not get rid of him?
That is a terrible argument. Why not judge him based on his save percentage, the most revealing stat in re: go his effectiveness as a goalie.

Keeping in mind that his numbers include the one terrible period vs SJS that demolished his stats, he still sits in the top-15 of NHL goalies in save percentage.

He has certainly kept us in more games than he's lost us. He's had some recent struggles but why does that matter if he gives up the 3-1 goal when we can't even score that 2nd goal?

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02-24-2013, 02:37 PM
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That is a terrible argument. Why not judge him based on his save percentage, the most revealing stat in re: go his effectiveness as a goalie.

Keeping in mind that his numbers include the one terrible period vs SJS that demolished his stats, he still sits in the top-15 of NHL goalies in save percentage.

He has certainly kept us in more games than he's lost us. He's had some recent struggles but why does that matter if he gives up the 3-1 goal when we can't even score that 2nd goal?
In that 1-3-3 stretch, he had a .912 SV% and that's including the Colorado first period pulling too.

He's been giving a chance to win every game, but not going to happen with our scoring.

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In that 1-3-3 stretch, he had a .912 SV% and that's including the Colorado first period pulling too.

He's been giving a chance to win every game, but not going to happen with our scoring.
Yep, I agree with this.
Oilers don't have the defense to be able to try and grind out 1-0 wins.
Dubnyk needs some scoring support to get some wins.

Anyway, glad I went to the game yesterday and started a nice day drunk and missed out on the gongshow that was this PGT. What's lost on most of the posters here was that the Oil came down from 2 zip to beat a verrrrrrrry stingy Phoenix team.

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It's amazing how bad the Oilers are in their own zone. They have no concept of how to play defense in general, how to break cycles, puck retrieval, pick spots of when poke check or make an aggressive play, gap control.... everything. They need help with everything! Top to bottom. They need structure as a group, forwards to defense, there needs to be a plan and philosophy in place because it appears they have none.

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I agree with you, I think he's looked good after taking a seat in the PB.
I think the negativity comes from, not his play, but the fact that some posters think he takes time away from Yakupov.
Some posters think that development = throwing tons of playing minutes playing on the top line to the kid.

Sigh. And then the boards blow up after the Oilers every loss.

Which is it? Are we throwing Yakupov on the first line, playing against opposition's first lines and willing to take the loss?


Or giving Yakupov reduced minutes so that his turnovers won't cost the team as much?


Yakupov is an 18 year rookie. He needs to play against weaker lines and get used to the game. Total myth that playing on the fourth line or third line will ruin a goalscorer. Whoever thought of that hasn't watched enough hockey.

Datsyuk and Zetterberg was playing on Detroit's fourth line in their first years. Watch and learn.

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Some posters think that development = throwing tons of playing minutes playing on the top line to the kid.

Sigh. And then the boards blow up after the Oilers every loss.

Which is it? Are we throwing Yakupov on the first line, playing against opposition's first lines and willing to take the loss?


Or giving Yakupov reduced minutes so that his turnovers won't cost the team as much?


Yakupov is an 18 year rookie. He needs to play against weaker lines and get used to the game. Total myth that playing on the fourth line or third line will ruin a goalscorer. Whoever thought of that hasn't watched enough hockey.

Datsyuk and Zetterberg was playing on Detroit's fourth line in their first years. Watch and learn.
Detroit and Zetterberg also came up on a team loaded with everything. These situations are not remotely comparable. They were also both much later round pics. Also, Yakupov is 19, gonna be 20 before next season starts. Why not put him in his natural position to succeed, with like minded, creative players. He's a talented, skilled winger. JMO.

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02-25-2013, 05:39 PM
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Detroit and Zetterberg also came up on a team loaded with everything. These situations are not remotely comparable. They were also both much later round pics. Also, Yakupov is 19, gonna be 20 before next season starts. Why not put him in his natural position to succeed, with like minded, creative players. He's a talented, skilled winger. JMO.
The point is Datsyuk and Zetterberg were able to retain their "goalscoring-ness" despite playing on the 3rd and 4th line. Some posters believe that throwing young scorers there will ruin their goal scoring ability and "turn them into checkers".

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02-25-2013, 06:07 PM
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We havent even seen Nails onetimer unleashed yet, he has not been made an offensive catalyst by his linemates consistantly enough for us to see his full arsenal.

Playing with Hemmer was snuffing Yaks possesion game, he is a creative goal scorer who needs the puck on his stick, no one steps into the NHL as triggerman, no one.

Putting MPS with Gagner and Hemmer covers the coaches butt, MPS should be playing with Gagner and Yakupov,Hemsky belongs on the 3rd line spreading his offense out.

Ralph has refused to put MPS , Gagner and Yakupov together and refused to put Hemmer on the 3rd line for deeper scoring potential, when he is forced to soon and they excell, I want to be sure there are lots of posts showing how long Krueger waited to make the obvious adjustments and how much he is willing to sacrifice teamwise to keep things his way as a coach.

I dont feel like Nail has been given a legitimate chance to help this team so far, he needs to be the catalyst of his lines offense, the go to guy for 60 mins, Nail is not just a long range sniper he is a stone cold shooter who needs to be firing all the time from everywhere, HE needs to be supported in this approach. Put him with Nuge and MPS, of Gags and MPS and let him shoot the lights out. Keeping him on the periphery means he can get caught making huge blunders, sending him into the fray in close means he might get taken out like Tarasenko, its a tough call, I would send him in, after all he is sturdier than his peers were when they broke in and he seems aware and able to avoid the big hits, he isnt reckless he is driven. But we can afford to protect him more if we choose. All you need to do is watch Tarasenko laying on the ice and its easy to support the coaches decisions to monitor Yaks progress closely.

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