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02-24-2013, 03:24 PM
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2013 MLB Discussion Thread

Figured I'd start this up with spring training games beginning this weekend.

Granderson out until May with a broken arm...good old Yankees luck rearing it's head...only took a couple innings into the first spring training game of the year...sigh

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/stor...ks-forearm-may

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between how the yankees and rangers look right now im probably gonna have to wait till september to see a team i like go anywhere and even then who knows what giants team shows up. very depressing.

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Finally. I was waiting to post in this again!

And..........the first thing I see is an injured Grandy. ****.

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And it's been pouring in NY for awhile now.

Don't even mention the Jets.....

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After his disappointing performance last season, I'm not happy Granderson is injured. I hope he has a bounce back year once he returns. I'm not looking forward to home run or nothing from him again this year.

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lol @ good old yankees luck. this team has bought how many championships???

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lol @ good old yankees luck. this team has bought how many championships???
I'm no Yankee fan, actually I hate them, but not as many as you would think.

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lol @ good old yankees luck. this team has bought how many championships???
Uhh.. u can claim pretty much one thats 2009. From 96-00 the majority of the roster came via farm system or good trades

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I'm no Yankee fan, actually I hate them, but not as many as you would think.
I don't follow it closely, but from what I've seen the top 2 or 3 players on the Yankees typically earn as much as many teams' entire payroll.

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lol @ good old yankees luck. this team has bought how many championships???
I forgot that a WS with farm players is somehow greater than one with Free Agents.

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I forgot that a WS with farm players is somehow greater than one with Free Agents.
Never said it was greater...just that with the Yankees (and that payroll) there's no excuse for them to not make it to the WS every year.

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Sucks about Grandy, was watching. Hoch suggested giving Soriano a call, I'd like to get more of a look at Mustelier. Wouldn't surprise me if Mesa is on the roster.



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Never said it was greater...just that with the Yankees (and that payroll) there's no excuse for them to not make it to the WS every year.
And they have the most championships of any professional sports team, they seem to be doing pretty good sooo....

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I don't follow it closely, but from what I've seen the top 2 or 3 players on the Yankees typically earn as much as many teams' entire payroll.
And they've won ONE WS since 2002. The ones in the late 90s were not bought.

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And they've won ONE WS since 2002. The ones in the late 90s were not bought.
Again, I'm no Yankees historian. But I'm trying to understand how you can claim that's true when in 1999 they had 1) The highest MLB payroll, 2) A payroll that was more than twice that of more than half the teams in the league.

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You know baseball season is approaching when the Yankees are critiqued for their payroll.....

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Again, I'm no Yankees historian. But I'm trying to understand how you can claim that's true when in 1999 they had 1) The highest MLB payroll, 2) A payroll that was more than twice that of more than half the teams in the league.
I will let a Yankee fan come in and answer that better then me, maybe that one was bought.

But from what I can remember, in the 90s, the Yankees were winning with what they grew. Obviously there will be a few FA's/trades players on their roster, but it seemed the core guys really earned those rings.

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I think they should have held onto Ibanez and Martin.

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I will let a Yankee fan come in and answer that better then me, maybe that one was bought.

But from what I can remember, in the 90s, the Yankees were winning with what they grew. Obviously there will be a few FA's/trades players on their roster, but it seemed the core guys really earned those rings.
That year 3 of the top 10 salaries we're Bernie, Jeter, and Pettitte.. The others were players who were traded for either before 1999 or that year. . Clemens was brought in via trade for David Wells. Brosius was really a no name before coming to the Yankees. Knoblauch? We traded eric milton and christian guzman two highly regarded prospects at the time. So its not li. We just stole guys. Tino was also traded for. Same with david cone.. the 96-00 yankees were built with our farm system and good trades.

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Everyone who isn't a Yankee fan I guess

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Again, I'm no Yankees historian. But I'm trying to understand how you can claim that's true when in 1999 they had 1) The highest MLB payroll, 2) A payroll that was more than twice that of more than half the teams in the league.
It wasn't until 2002 or 2003 when their payroll went way above everyone else.

1998 Team Payrolls

Baltimore: $71,860,921
N.Y. Yankees: 65,663,698
Los Angeles: 62,806,667
Atlanta: 61,708,000
Texas: 60,519,595


1999 Team Payrolls

Yankees: $88,180,7120
Texas: 81,576,598
Atlanta: 74,890,000
Cleveland: 73,278,458
Baltimore: 72,198,363

2000 Team Payrolls

NY Yankees $92,538,260
Los Angeles $88,124,286
Atlanta $84,537,836
Baltimore $81,447,435
Arizona $81,027,833


2001 Team Payrolls

NY Yankees $109,791,893
Boston $109,558,908
Los Angeles $108,980,952
NY Mets $93,174,428
Cleveland $91,974,979

got the list from this site http://www.stevetheump.com/Payrolls.htm

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Pretty excited to watch the Mets to be honest. Rotation could be very good with Harvey, Niese, Marcum, a healthy Sanata, and Gee alongside of Wheeler being in the mix.

Outfield will be iffy, but they have youth in those spots. Could be promising. Love the infield though. Another yea for Tejada to grow. Keeping Wright. Murphy turned into a good 2nd baseman. Ike without health concerns coming into the season. D'arnoud looks promising. Catching will be better than previous seasons. Buck is solid as well. If the bullpen could be any good, they might have a shot. Atlanta and Washington will be very good as well. Hoping for a good developing year.

As terrible as it was not getting an outfielder during the offseason, still, I'm excited to see what may come of this team.

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Pretty excited to watch the Mets to be honest. Rotation could be very good with Harvey, Niese, Marcum, a healthy Sanata, and Gee alongside of Wheeler being in the mix.

Outfield will be iffy, but they have youth in those spots. Could be promising. Love the infield though. Another yea for Tejada to grow. Keeping Wright. Murphy turned into a good 2nd baseman. Ike without health concerns coming into the season. D'arnoud looks promising. Catching will be better than previous seasons. Buck is solid as well. If the bullpen could be any good, they might have a shot. Atlanta and Washington will be very good as well. Hoping for a good developing year.

As terrible as it was not getting an outfielder during the offseason, still, I'm excited to see what may come of this team.
This feeling typically lasts until opening day is over.

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Every time the Yankees payroll discussion is brought up- whether it be from my friends who are Met fans or on an internet message board- I say the same thing and people who blindly hate the Yankees seem to not be able to understand it.

The rules of Major League Baseball do not employ a salary cap. Most sports do, baseball does not: this is their system. The Yankees are a global brand- much like the Lakers or Manchester United. Being that they are a global brand, they generate a TON of revenue. Why should they not use the revenue they generate to take advantage of baseball's FLAWED system? Because "its not fair?" Life is not fair, get over it. Your problem isn't with the Yankees, it is with the lack of salary cap. If MLB had a salary cap then the Yankees wouldn't spend the money they do- but in a system without a salary cap the big markets have the major advantage.

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