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02-24-2013, 06:36 PM
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Agree with the Met poster on page 1, very excited for the season. No, I do not expect to make the playoffs, but it will be exciting to see the kids compete and hopefully stay somewhat competitive late. Last few years we have held our own until first west coast trip after ASB, so hoping to improve on that.

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Every time the Yankees payroll discussion is brought up- whether it be from my friends who are Met fans or on an internet message board- I say the same thing and people who blindly hate the Yankees seem to not be able to understand it.

The rules of Major League Baseball do not employ a salary cap. Most sports do, baseball does not: this is their system. The Yankees are a global brand- much like the Lakers or Manchester United. Being that they are a global brand, they generate a TON of revenue. Why should they not use the revenue they generate to take advantage of baseball's FLAWED system? Because "its not fair?" Life is not fair, get over it. Your problem isn't with the Yankees, it is with the lack of salary cap. If MLB had a salary cap then the Yankees wouldn't spend the money they do- but in a system without a salary cap the big markets have the major advantage.
Well said.

I will always be a Yankee hater, but I can't fault them for what they do.

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02-24-2013, 07:14 PM
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Every time the Yankees payroll discussion is brought up- whether it be from my friends who are Met fans or on an internet message board- I say the same thing and people who blindly hate the Yankees seem to not be able to understand it.

The rules of Major League Baseball do not employ a salary cap. Most sports do, baseball does not: this is their system. The Yankees are a global brand- much like the Lakers or Manchester United. Being that they are a global brand, they generate a TON of revenue. Why should they not use the revenue they generate to take advantage of baseball's FLAWED system? Because "its not fair?" Life is not fair, get over it. Your problem isn't with the Yankees, it is with the lack of salary cap. If MLB had a salary cap then the Yankees wouldn't spend the money they do- but in a system without a salary cap the big markets have the major advantage.
I don't blindly hate the Yankees. They aren't breaking any rules. But certainly one would expect that a team that pays 3 players more than 1/3 of the league's teams entire payroll would expect that they are contending for, if not winning, a championship every year.

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02-24-2013, 07:25 PM
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Every time the Yankees payroll discussion is brought up- whether it be from my friends who are Met fans or on an internet message board- I say the same thing and people who blindly hate the Yankees seem to not be able to understand it.

The rules of Major League Baseball do not employ a salary cap. Most sports do, baseball does not: this is their system. The Yankees are a global brand- much like the Lakers or Manchester United. Being that they are a global brand, they generate a TON of revenue. Why should they not use the revenue they generate to take advantage of baseball's FLAWED system? Because "its not fair?" Life is not fair, get over it. Your problem isn't with the Yankees, it is with the lack of salary cap. If MLB had a salary cap then the Yankees wouldn't spend the money they do- but in a system without a salary cap the big markets have the major advantage.
More to the point, big payrolls don't automatically translate to great rosters. The Yankees are essentially paying huge money for past performances rather than future production. A-Rod is $28 million dead weight. Teixeira makes $22.5 million and has been regressing for several years. Who really knows what Sabathia will do for his $23 million this year?

The Dodgers' payroll will be in the range of $220 million this year. You'd expect them to have a superstar at every position for that kind of money, but they don't. Crawford's contract is a joke. Gonzalez might be on the downside of his career already. Ethier's splits suggest a guy who should be a platoon hitter. Greinke's performances have never matched what the sabremetrics suggest about him. I don't think anyone would take their roster over the Nationals' roster.

Having money can make it easier to fill holes and cover up mistakes, but just throwing a lot of money around doesn't automatically get you anything. From 2005-2011 the Mets had an average payroll of $125 million and made the playoffs once. On the other hand, look at the continued success of the Rays. They've made the playoffs three times in the past five years with a payroll that never went over $73 million. Clearly, savvy management is a lot more valuable than massive payrolls.

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02-24-2013, 07:29 PM
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Boo, Yankees talk.

Mets are gonna be an exciting team to watch soon. Three great young pitchers in Niese, Wheeler and Harvey, all with varying amounts of high potential. Then you have guys like Syndergaard and Montero in the minors, too.

The OF situation is dire but an infield of Ike, Wright, Murphy/whoever, Ruben, and D'Arnaud is sweet.

Not gonna lie, i'm more excited for when the young guns are called up then for the season in general. I'll mainly be focusing on if Ike can come back and play like second half Ike and if David's first half was a fluke or if he can still be a 6+ WAR player.

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Boo, Yankees talk.

Mets are gonna be an exciting team to watch soon. Three great young pitchers in Niese, Wheeler and Harvey, all with varying amounts of high potential. Then you have guys like Syndergaard and Montero in the minors, too.

The OF situation is dire but an infield of Ike, Wright, Murphy/whoever, Ruben, and D'Arnaud is sweet.

Not gonna lie, i'm more excited for when the young guns are called up then for the season in general. I'll mainly be focusing on if Ike can come back and play like second half Ike and if David's first half was a fluke or if he can still be a 6+ WAR player.
You should really mention Fulmer with Syndergaard, dude. Fulmer is a legit prospect, for sure.

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Boo, Yankees talk.

Mets are gonna be an exciting team to watch soon. Three great young pitchers in Niese, Wheeler and Harvey, all with varying amounts of high potential. Then you have guys like Syndergaard and Montero in the minors, too.

The OF situation is dire but an infield of Ike, Wright, Murphy/whoever, Ruben, and D'Arnaud is sweet.

Not gonna lie, i'm more excited for when the young guns are called up then for the season in general. I'll mainly be focusing on if Ike can come back and play like second half Ike and if David's first half was a fluke or if he can still be a 6+ WAR player.
It's going to be an exciting year. I'm hoping vets like Santana, Marcum, Buck, Lyon, etc have strong seasons so Sandy can sucker some GM at the deadline into flipping us some young outfield prospects.

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You should really mention Fulmer with Syndergaard, dude. Fulmer is a legit prospect, for sure.
Yep, definitely. Lots of really talented arms in the farm.

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Yep, definitely. Lots of really talented arms in the farm.
It's exciting

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02-24-2013, 08:06 PM
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Honestly im expecting a decent year from Duda..Its not a stretch for him to go 270..20..80...Dudes got crazy power..Captain Kirk in CF has legit potential too..RF who the hell knows?

Kirk
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Plus Flores waiting in the wings

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The greatest ever sucks seeing this day come. The most important Yankee since he put on the pinstripes. Thank you Mo.. Thank you for including us on the journey. We will miss you

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Sadly, I think last year was the final year in this very long window of championship caliber teams for the Yankees during the Jeter era. I do in fact see some rough times ahead with all these injuries, but I can handle a 2 year retool to stock up the prospects and sign the necessary FAs. They've won me 5 years of trust with the 09 title and the deep runs after that.

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Yankees interested in bringing back Chien-Ming Wang

I would love to see Wang back with the Yankees. He is my favorite Yankee pitcher of all time and it would be sweet if he got his career back on track here.

Wang with Chinese-Tapei has not allowed a run in 12 innings this WBC.

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Benches cleared! Canada vs. Mexico!

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03-09-2013, 05:06 PM
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Benches cleared! Canada vs. Mexico!
That got pretty ugly.

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That got pretty ugly.
Yeah, but the Mexicans were acting like **********. Thuggery.

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Yeah, but the Mexicans were acting like **********. Thuggery.
The worst thing was the fan in the crowd. I understand the players going at it, emotions are high and Mexico is coming off of a huge win to get embarrassed by Canada, but it looked like a Canadian player got nailed with something. The bench clear is acceptable, the fan behavior absolutely wasn't.

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David Wright with the grand slam.

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How many majors? Game misconducts?

Baseball would be better if it was hockey.

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Joe Torre made some ****ing terrible decisions for this game.

Victorino over Stanton?

And don't even get me started on some of the roster decisions...Hosmer shouldn't even sniff this tournament.

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And don't even get me started on some of the roster decisions...Hosmer shouldn't even sniff this tournament.
Tex got hurt, Prince and Howard said no, and they didn't want Ike. A lot of dumb decisions yes, but I won't on that one too much.

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03-10-2013, 05:23 PM
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Tex got hurt, Prince and Howard said no, and they didn't want Ike. A lot of dumb decisions yes, but I won't on that one too much.
They didn't want Ike because he "strikes out too much." Meanwhile Hosmer strikes out at only a 5% less clip, walks less, and is garbage in the field. Bad decision.

I'm more peeved at the lineups, though.

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They're winning so who cares?

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Tex got hurt, Prince and Howard said no, and they didn't want Ike. A lot of dumb decisions yes, but I won't on that one too much.
They could have went with Swisher, Freeman, Goldscmidt, Laroche, etc.

Hosmer is not up to the caliber they need. One of those mentioned above owuld serve as a better player. Nonetheless they just took the lead and should close this out and move onto the next round.

Wright has looked awesome in the tourney. Cannot wait for him to play this season.

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They're winning so who cares?
Getting out of the second round isn't good enough. They need to contend with Japan. Even with a lot of the big names declining to join(did Trout coming by to watch the game piss anybody else off? Don't show up if you decline representing your country), when you have R.A. Dickey, Gio Gonzalez, David Wright, Ryan Braun, Joe Mauer, Mike Stanton, Adam Jones and a few other top guys you should be contending.

The US has been mismanaged all tournament. If they lost/lose today it would've been/will be a disgrace.

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Love Wright being referred to as "Captain America". Makes me think he is coming out like Kenny Powers did in EB&D. Flag as a cape and with Hulk Hogan's intro in the background.

Callahan, Wright, Real American Heroes

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