HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > New York Rangers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Injured Players Thread (3/6: Staal Out Indefinitely; Not Career Threatening)

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
02-24-2013, 10:03 PM
  #426
trilobyte
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Alberta
Posts: 12,543
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawnos View Post
He was cut by his visor...
Do the referees prove that on the ice at the time?
Is that in their mandate to make that judgement. Do they quickly and accurately identify that. Correct me if I am wrong, but I doubt it.

trilobyte is offline  
Old
02-24-2013, 10:08 PM
  #427
FromTheSide
Registered User
 
FromTheSide's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: New York
Country: United States
Posts: 22,611
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to FromTheSide Send a message via MSN to FromTheSide
Has there really been no update on any of the guys? This is insane.

FromTheSide is online now  
Old
02-24-2013, 10:09 PM
  #428
Kreider Typical
flex
 
Kreider Typical's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 2,548
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SFW View Post
Which is why it was a boarding penalty, not a malicious charge and hit to the head.
uhh... newton's third law would dictate outright that this is a charge. guy comes in with speed and runs a guy into the boards--- NOT ONLY THAT-- but he finishes with the arm to make sure that he got him-- that's what my issue was with the hit.

he doesn't just leave his feet, but he makes sure that he finishes with the arm. that's why this should've been a suspension. it was clearly a retaliatory hit, from a guy who has a history, on a defenseless player. onus is on the player delivering the check to avoid or at least MINIMIZE contact with a defenseless player.

following through with the forearm to the back on a guy that you're already in the process of creaming (quite clearly) is not minimizing impact. this is a charge.

if somebody who has not had any disciplinary action in the past 5 years of playing in the league did it-- by all means, no suspension please... but this is a guy who has had disciplinary action in the last year. there's no reason he should've been let off here. even of it was a split decision the league should follow through with a game or a fine.

and what's worse?-- IT RESULTED IN INJURY!

shame on the league. this is a bad call and it seems another horrible decision has been made against this team. could be worse i guess... lucic could've run lundqvist or chara could've punched mcdonagh's face into the glass.. or lucic could've crosschecked a guy viciously 3 times in the back of the neck(but we'll see if the league suspends him rofl)

Kreider Typical is offline  
Old
02-24-2013, 10:09 PM
  #429
Kreider Typical
flex
 
Kreider Typical's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 2,548
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by FromTheSide View Post
Has there really been no update on any of the guys? This is insane.
girardi's xray was negative. probably (pretty sure confirmed?) bruised his bone. mcd and nash nothing new

Kreider Typical is offline  
Old
02-24-2013, 10:14 PM
  #430
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
 
Tawnos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Charlotte, NC
Country: United States
Posts: 11,533
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by trilobyte View Post
Do the referees prove that on the ice at the time?
Is that in their mandate to make that judgement. Do they quickly and accurately identify that. Correct me if I am wrong, but I doubt it.
What does it have to do with the refs on the ice? They made the boarding call. This isn't like high-sticking, where it changes based on the outcome of the penalty.

I'm just pointing out that McDonagh bleeding is no indication of the kind of hit it was. A player with no visor experiencing exactly the same hit wouldn't have been bleeding.

Tawnos is offline  
Old
02-24-2013, 10:23 PM
  #431
FromTheSide
Registered User
 
FromTheSide's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: New York
Country: United States
Posts: 22,611
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to FromTheSide Send a message via MSN to FromTheSide
Quote:
Originally Posted by mooskating View Post
girardi's xray was negative. probably (pretty sure confirmed?) bruised his bone. mcd and nash nothing new
Well thats probably the best news we'll hear all week unfortunately.
Hopefully Mac Truck just had a bad whip lash or something..

FromTheSide is online now  
Old
02-24-2013, 10:30 PM
  #432
trilobyte
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Alberta
Posts: 12,543
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawnos View Post
What does it have to do with the refs on the ice? They made the boarding call. This isn't like high-sticking, where it changes based on the outcome of the penalty.

I'm just pointing out that McDonagh bleeding is no indication of the kind of hit it was. A player with no visor experiencing exactly the same hit wouldn't have been bleeding.
Okay, then I guess I may have it wrong. My understanding was that if a head injury was apparent (bleeding from the head would be a head injury) on a boarding, that a 5 minute major would be imposed.

trilobyte is offline  
Old
02-24-2013, 10:34 PM
  #433
Kreider Typical
flex
 
Kreider Typical's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 2,548
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by trilobyte View Post
Okay, then I guess I may have it wrong. My understanding was that if a head injury was apparent (bleeding from the head would be a head injury) on a boarding, that a 5 minute major would be imposed.
nah. it's ref's discretion here. not like a high stick. pretty sure this happened in the kings/blues series and a few people checked the book..i'll post it in a few

edit: 41.3 Major Penalty – The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a major penalty, based on the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, to a player guilty of boarding an opponent (see 41.5).

also:41.5 Game Misconduct Penalty - When a major penalty is imposed under this rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed.

now note that the misconduct needs a major first

Kreider Typical is offline  
Old
02-24-2013, 10:36 PM
  #434
trilobyte
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Alberta
Posts: 12,543
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by mooskating View Post
...following through with the forearm to the back on a guy that you're already in the process of creaming (quite clearly) is not minimizing impact. this is a charge.

if somebody who has not had any disciplinary action in the past 5 years of playing in the league did it-- by all means, no suspension please... but this is a guy who has had disciplinary action in the last year. there's no reason he should've been let off here. even of it was a split decision the league should follow through with a game or a fine.

and what's worse?-- IT RESULTED IN INJURY!

shame on the league. this is a bad call and it seems another horrible decision has been made against this team. could be worse i guess... lucic could've run lundqvist or chara could've punched mcdonagh's face into the glass.. or lucic could've crosschecked a guy viciously 3 times in the back of the neck(but we'll see if the league suspends him rofl)
Justice from the NHL is an arbitrary and unpredictable thing. It is best to carry out your own justice, just don't wait too long. Personally, I would rather that the Rangers just beat the Habs on the scoreboard on March 30, but giving a few love taps to Pac would be sweet, too.

trilobyte is offline  
Old
02-24-2013, 10:43 PM
  #435
Kreider Typical
flex
 
Kreider Typical's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 2,548
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by trilobyte View Post
Justice from the NHL is an arbitrary and unpredictable thing. It is best to carry out your own justice, just don't wait too long. Personally, I would rather that the Rangers just beat the Habs on the scoreboard on March 30, but giving a few love taps to Pac would be sweet, too.
sad part of it is, it'll probably be mcdonagh that has to deal with patches himself.

Kreider Typical is offline  
Old
02-24-2013, 10:54 PM
  #436
SupersonicMonkey*
DROP THE PUCK
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: USA
Country: United States
Posts: 15,193
vCash: 500
I've always been one who believes that retribution on the aggressor doesn't solve the issue. Because that player is most likely the kind of player that will continue playing that way in any case.

Stick up for a guy who gets hurt, yes, fight the guy.

But retribution and intimidation would be targeting that team's top players. Their young up and comers.

Push those guys around.

SupersonicMonkey* is offline  
Old
02-25-2013, 02:26 AM
  #437
BBKers
Registered User
 
BBKers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: South Koster, Sweden
Country: Sweden
Posts: 5,680
vCash: 500
Send a message via Skype™ to BBKers
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nac Mac Feegle View Post
Apparently Shanny doesn't look at the circumstances leading up to a hit anymore or if the person in question is a repeat offender or known for dirty predatory hits. There are definitely some favorite sons and red-headed stepchildren in this league.

Personally, I would've given Patches 2 games for that hit. A definite hit from behind with an extra elbow thrown in. Very dangerous.
You do know that the genes for red hair comes from crossbreading with Neanderthals - says so here

Implications of this conspiracy are now reaching mindblowing proportions


BBKers is offline  
Old
02-25-2013, 05:12 AM
  #438
truebluegoalie
Registered User
 
truebluegoalie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Virginia
Posts: 2,239
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by mooskating View Post
nah. it's ref's discretion here. not like a high stick. pretty sure this happened in the kings/blues series and a few people checked the book..i'll post it in a few

edit: 41.3 Major Penalty The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a major penalty, based on the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, to a player guilty of boarding an opponent (see 41.5).

also:41.5 Game Misconduct Penalty - When a major penalty is imposed under this rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed.

now note that the misconduct needs a major first
and you know that wasn't happening on a Saturday night in Montreal.

truebluegoalie is offline  
Old
02-25-2013, 09:08 AM
  #439
JohnC
#FreeSteve
 
JohnC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: New York
Country: United States
Posts: 4,554
vCash: 500
Powe's eligible to come off IR today correct?

JohnC is offline  
Old
02-25-2013, 09:10 AM
  #440
pwoz
Registered User
 
pwoz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: NJ
Posts: 2,492
vCash: 500
Nash has a concussion. It's probably a lot worse than the team thought, which is why they are silent.

pwoz is online now  
Old
02-25-2013, 09:18 AM
  #441
nevesis
#30
 
nevesis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: NY
Posts: 8,453
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by pwoz View Post
Nash has a concussion. It's probably a lot worse than the team thought, which is why they are silent.
Don't speak anything as fact when the subject matter is still speculation at this point.

nevesis is online now  
Old
02-25-2013, 09:22 AM
  #442
Barbara Underhill
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuke
 
Barbara Underhill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Montana
Country: United States
Posts: 13,123
vCash: 373
Torts and his "we don't discuss injuries" **** ugh. In the playoffs it's a no brained not to let the other team know what's up and I don't mind not mentioning it if a guy is playing through something, but when they get on IR you might as well just tell us.

Barbara Underhill is offline  
Old
02-25-2013, 09:38 AM
  #443
nevesis
#30
 
nevesis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: NY
Posts: 8,453
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbara Underhill View Post
Torts and his "we don't discuss injuries" **** ugh. In the playoffs it's a no brained not to let the other team know what's up and I don't mind not mentioning it if a guy is playing through something, but when they get on IR you might as well just tell us.
Nash's move to IR was to make room for Christian Thomas, not exactly an indiction of a more serious condition.

We should hopefully know more in about 20 minutes when they hit the ice for practice, (hopefully)

nevesis is online now  
Old
02-25-2013, 09:45 AM
  #444
RangerBoy
#freejtmiller
 
RangerBoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: New York
Country: United States
Posts: 31,851
vCash: 500
If I ran the Rangers,no leaks on anything. Injuries. Trades. Free agency. The beat writers are mad at the Rangers for not disclosing injuries. They are left to guess and they look foolish. McKenzie reported the Girardi x-rays were negative. Andrew Gross didn't give McKenzie or TSN credit for that. No "According to TSN".

RangerBoy is offline  
Old
02-25-2013, 09:48 AM
  #445
RangerBoy
#freejtmiller
 
RangerBoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: New York
Country: United States
Posts: 31,851
vCash: 500
From: @NYDNRangers
Sent: Feb 25, 2013 10:48a

Darroll Powe (concussion) is on the ice at practice today. So is Michael Del Zotto (lower-body) #NYR

sent via web
On Twitter: http://twitter.com/NYDNRangers/statu...68056411615233

RangerBoy is offline  
Old
02-25-2013, 09:49 AM
  #446
nevesis
#30
 
nevesis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: NY
Posts: 8,453
vCash: 500
“@stevezipay: Del Zotto who was scratched last game is on ice at NYR practice”

@NYDNRangers: Dan Girardi now on the ice as well #NYR

nevesis is online now  
Old
02-25-2013, 09:50 AM
  #447
NYR Viper
Moderator
 
NYR Viper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: PA
Country: United States
Posts: 28,364
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RangerBoy View Post
From: @NYDNRangers
Sent: Feb 25, 2013 10:48a

Darroll Powe (concussion) is on the ice at practice today. So is Michael Del Zotto (lower-body) #NYR

sent via web
On Twitter: http://twitter.com/NYDNRangers/statu...68056411615233
That's very good news for both of those guys.

No word on McDonagh though or Nash who would have been even better to see

NYR Viper is offline  
Old
02-25-2013, 09:50 AM
  #448
RangerBoy
#freejtmiller
 
RangerBoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: New York
Country: United States
Posts: 31,851
vCash: 500
From: @NYDNRangers
Sent: Feb 25, 2013 10:49a

Dan Girardi now on the ice as well #NYR

sent via web
On Twitter: http://twitter.com/NYDNRangers/statu...68497014857729

RangerBoy is offline  
Old
02-25-2013, 09:51 AM
  #449
nevesis
#30
 
nevesis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: NY
Posts: 8,453
vCash: 500
Girardi is a ****ing warrior.

nevesis is online now  
Old
02-25-2013, 09:51 AM
  #450
HockeyBasedNYC
Registered User
 
HockeyBasedNYC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Here
Country: United States
Posts: 12,891
vCash: 500
WOW what a warrior.

Thats awesome news!!!

Even if hes just testing it.

HockeyBasedNYC is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:39 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.