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02-24-2013, 11:34 PM
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I think the fact that we are winning with the way our PP and PK have been is a good thing. Well, not a good thing, but I'd much rather be doing good even strength and worse on special teams than vice versa. The worst is being carried by your special teams, then having them picked apart in the playoffs. (07 - 08)

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I think the fact that we are winning with the way our PP and PK have been is a good thing. Well, not a good thing, but I'd much rather be doing good even strength and worse on special teams than vice versa. The worst is being carried by your special teams, then having them picked apart in the playoffs. (07 - 08)
Indeed. Even strength proficiency is a must because the refs put away the whistles in the playoffs and there is a helluva lot more clutching and grabbing allowed. Besides, even the hottest power plays do not convert over 40% of the time.

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The part that worries me is past poor playoff performances from vets like Markov, Plekanec and Cole. I also believe that Galchenyuk will be overwhelmed at this early stage of his development. With a goaltender like Price you always have a chance but it is probably a longshot at this point.

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02-25-2013, 01:46 AM
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I went in to this season with a "rebuild/transition year" mentality, So if they make the playoffs, that's a bonus. Even if they get swept, that's invaluable experience for Alex and Brendan!

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Can't wait for trade dealine! when is it?

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02-25-2013, 02:20 AM
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The style is too intense. They gonna came in the playoff completely burn out.

MTL are out in 4, by boston.
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02-25-2013, 06:10 AM
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The intensity is the best part. We're rolling 4lines every night so we will not be as burnt out as you think. No one is being overplayed
That hasn't really been the case. Well, it was more so last game against the Rangers than usual, but Therrien has definitely not been rolling 4 lines. Plekanec has averaged 20:03 to White's 9:43. Even strength is closer, 14:25 to 8:10, but it's still a matchup game, no rolling. That top line is being heavily relied on, to the point where I think some burn out in the playoffs is possible.

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02-25-2013, 07:48 AM
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That hasn't really been the case. Well, it was more so last game against the Rangers than usual, but Therrien has definitely not been rolling 4 lines. Plekanec has averaged 20:03 to White's 9:43. Even strength is closer, 14:25 to 8:10, but it's still a matchup game, no rolling. That top line is being heavily relied on, to the point where I think some burn out in the playoffs is possible.
Plekanec plays 20 minutes a game. That's because he's on both special teams units and he takes a lot of draws both the offensive and defensive zones. After him it drops off though. Gionta plays 18:48 a game. Bourque - 17:35. Desharnais - 16:33. Cole - 15:36. Patches - 15:23. Eller - 13:33. Prust - 13:02. Galchenyuk - 12:14. Average TOI/G for Montreal's top 9? 15:52. Chicago's top 9 averages 16:44. Anahiem averages 16:40. Pittsburgh average 16:16. Yes, it's less than a minute per game difference. But those minutes add up. Considering how many problems we had with injuries last year its even more critical to make sure the amount of ice time our players get is very controlled.

The control MT is exercising over TOI is even more apparent on the blueline. Our top guy (Markov) gets about 24 minutes a night and our bottom guy (Frank the Tank) takes about 19 an a half minutes. In Chicago Duncan Keith plays a little bit more than 24 minutes night, but Brookbank is taking only 12 and a half minutes. In Anahiem Beauchemnin gets 24 and Lovejoy gets 17. It Pittsburgh Letang sees about 26 minutes a night and Engellend about 13 and a half.

Does this mean we're going to be better going into the playoffs? I don't know. In a shortened season I question the value with an eye to the post season. Most of the guys on the team are used to playing full 82 game seasons so they should have lots left in the tank after this shortened season. However it will prove exceptionally valuable over the course of the compressed schedule as it limits day to day fatigue.

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02-25-2013, 07:59 AM
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Like the title says. I think our new and improved style of forchecking and grittier play will translate really well once the playoffs start. What does everyone else think?
What works in regular season often don't in playoffs. Why there are so many upsets. But 48 game season who can tell?

Overall, like to see us add a veteran faceoff specialist and maybe a spare forward who can fight. In case we face tough team in playoffs. At least somebody who doesn't embarass the team against an Orr and without putting one of our top players in the box.

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02-25-2013, 08:07 AM
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Let's make the POs first. We're only 8pts out, and we're entering a tougher stretch with 11games of 16 on the road until end of March. Seven games in that span will be within our own division, teams we struggled against.
So, let's wait before discussing how great we think we'll be in the POs.
This is the best way to look at it all.

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What works in regular season often don't in playoffs. Why there are so many upsets. But 48 game season who can tell?

Overall, like to see us add a veteran faceoff specialist and maybe a spare forward who can fight. In case we face tough team in playoffs. At least somebody who doesn't embarass the team against an Orr and without putting one of our top players in the box.
There are upsets in the earlier rounds. But there is no such thing as a upset in the finals. Both teams who make it that far are "battle tested" or stress tested or whatever you want to calling, playing a more taxing and energetic style for about a month and a half, and with hidden injuries throughout the roster.

There are upsets because the upset usually all have some deficiencies that were exploited and/or the upsetter got on an extreme hot streak.

What we need is either Gionta stop sucking or upgrade from him and we need Markov to do the same when the time counts. Otherwise, we have to trade for a rental solution.
A faceoff specialist is indeed sorely needed here as well.

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02-25-2013, 08:11 AM
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Let's make the POs first. We're only 8pts out, and we're entering a tougher stretch with 11games of 16 on the road until end of March. Seven games in that span will be within our own division, teams we struggled against.
So, let's wait before discussing how great we think we'll be in the POs.
completely agree

While we are doing good, it does not mean we are out of the woods yet. Leafs last season were sitting comfortably and then completely **** the bed and missed. IMO we are still a couple years off from being a real cup threat, however, making the playoffs and then seeing how this team can preform will give us a good indication for the future. Let's just make the playoffs first and worry bout the rest later.


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this habs team isn't strong enough to make it out of the second round. Not strong enough on D and no game-breaking centre.

We also can't and won't keep up this level of point production. Playing way in over our heads.

But like I said, we'll win one playoff series as we have for the past decade and a half, and manage to squeeze out two wins in the second round.

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02-25-2013, 08:20 AM
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like the title says. I think our new and improved style of forchecking and grittier play will translate really well once the playoffs start. What does everyone else think?
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this habs team isn't strong enough to make it out of the second round. Not strong enough on D and no game-breaking centre.

We also can't and won't keep up this level of point production. Playing way in over our heads.

But like I said, we'll win one playoff series as we have for the past decade and a half, and manage to squeeze out two wins in the second round.
It's easier to get one "messiah center" than it is to get center depth, which was ubiquitous in the post-lockout Cup-winning rosters.

One center will not win you the Cup, not even an elite one. A team with a quality center at least three lines will. The bottom liner centers need not be elite scorers, but they need to contribute in the non-scoring aspects of the game.

We can make it to the Conference Finals, but we are too incomplete on defense, the a wing, and on faceoffs to even make it to the Cup, let alone win it.

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02-25-2013, 08:40 AM
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this habs team isn't strong enough to make it out of the second round. Not strong enough on D and no game-breaking centre.

We also can't and won't keep up this level of point production. Playing way in over our heads.

But like I said, we'll win one playoff series as we have for the past decade and a half, and manage to squeeze out two wins in the second round.
We won two series not so long ago.

And there's one thing you can't predict, that's the development of youngsters. Diaz has turned out to be a very efficient Dman for us. Emelin is pretty solid as well, although I don't think he should be playing on the right. PK is a beast and had two great years in the POs.
Then there's our two rookies who seem to improve as time passes. They provide us with good scoring depth that we didn't have last year. Same applies to Eller who seems to find his groove more.
So really, who knows..

People always think you need to be a certain way to win the POs. You need to be big and aggressive like the Ducks, you need to have superstars like the Pens, you need to be fast and skilled like Detroit, you need to be focused on Defense, you need to focus on offense, you need to be goons like Boston to intimidate your way to the cup.
It's all BS.

What you really need to get to the cup is luck. Obviously you need a good mix of players, but a lot of teams have good mixes, only one will win the cup amd that's usually because you got the lucky bounces.

Obviously we won't be favorites, far from it. But it's impossible to predict right now what will happen. As I said in my previous post, with a bad month of March we can end up outside the POs. We have been pretty lucky so far regarding injuries, which is a refreshing change from previous years, but we might end up having a string of them.

There's also the possibility of trades happening around the deadline. So, we'll have to wait and see.

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if Price is on his game, and at least one of MaxPac/Gionta/Cole/Bourque/Gally steps up with some timely scoring, we have enough other pieces in place to make a decent playoff run...

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if Price is on his game, and at least one of MaxPac/Gionta/Cole/Bourque/Gally steps up with some timely scoring, we have enough other pieces in place to make a decent playoff run...
A hot goalie can alone take a team a LONG way in the playoffs let alone when the rest of the team is playing well to go along with. I think well do good if we get in. Dont think we can win but if all cylinders are firing I could see a finals apearance as brief as it may be.

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Still think we need more size and grit up front to win a cup.
pacioretty 6-2
cole 6-2
bourque 6-2
eller 6-2
moen 6-2
armstrong 6-2
galchenyuk 6-1
pust 6-0
white 6-0

i don't get you guys. what do you want? a basketball team? even there are some smaller guys.

besides, we are 4th in hits in the whole league! 100 more than the current stanley cup holders and 80 more than the big bad bruins..



edit: oooops, i was watching home hit stats only... well, we are still 12th overall in hits, 30 more than boston. they have 3 games in hand, tho, but difference will be pretty small.

edit2: the blackawks are dead last in hits. i guess they have no chance to win the cup.


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02-25-2013, 11:21 AM
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It's a good question. I think the Habs have surpassed expectations so far, so it feels like we're asking the question about a team we've only known for a month or so. I thinkm as others have mentioned, that the depth is good enough to keep it going for playoff run. I also agree that a big nasty dman would benifit this group greatly. Once the forechecking and intensity picks up, it would be a hot commodity.

That said, I have found the level of play weaker in the East than in the West this year. I would put money on the West taking it all, but hey, gotta play the games to win!

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pacioretty 6-2
cole 6-2
bourque 6-2
eller 6-2
moen 6-2
armstrong 6-2
galchenyuk 6-1
pust 6-0
white 6-0

i don't get you guys. what do you want? a basketball team? even there are some smaller guys.

besides, we are 4th in hits in the whole league! 100 more than the current stanley cup holders and 80 more than the big bad bruins..



edit: oooops, i was watching home hit stats only... well, we are still 12th overall in hits, 30 more than boston. they have 3 games in hand, tho, but difference will be pretty small.

edit2: the blackawks are dead last in hits. i guess they have no chance to win the cup.
Our defence needs to get bigger but not at the expense of being less talented. I'd want a bigger Bouillion or Diaz or Gorges though.... tough to find. If you could get bigger players with the same or more talent, why not? you can't teach size.

Note:I'm a believer in having heavier players, not necessarily taller. A heavier weight-per-inch ratio.

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If Gallagher and Galchenyuk continues to improve while the season goes at a regular pace, we won't be easy to play against.

That's the philosophy of Therrien you might get the w against us but you will fight for it. There have benn bad games like Toronto but the players are working this year, they are skating hard and it's really hard for non mobile dman to follow them.

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pacioretty 6-2
cole 6-2
bourque 6-2
eller 6-2
moen 6-2
armstrong 6-2
galchenyuk 6-1
pust 6-0
white 6-0

i don't get you guys. what do you want? a basketball team? even there are some smaller guys.

besides, we are 4th in hits in the whole league! 100 more than the current stanley cup holders and 80 more than the big bad bruins..



edit: oooops, i was watching home hit stats only... well, we are still 12th overall in hits, 30 more than boston. they have 3 games in hand, tho, but difference will be pretty small.

edit2: the blackawks are dead last in hits. i guess they have no chance to win the cup.
In our top 9 we've got Gionta, Plecs, DD, Gallagher... one of those lines is going to need two smurfs. Last game we had Gallagher and DD. I love Gallagher's heart but its' crazy to pair those two together.

When the playoffs begin the refs put away their whistles. I don't agree with it, but that's the way it is. And that's why a guy like Pronger was Mr. Clutch in the playoffs. We don't have those kinds of players on our club. Prust is a great addition but we need more size and grit in my opinion if we want to win a cup.

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In our top 9 we've got Gionta, Plecs, DD, Gallagher... one of those lines is going to need two smurfs. Last game we had Gallagher and DD. I love Gallagher's heart but its' crazy to pair those two together.

When the playoffs begin the refs put away their whistles. I don't agree with it, but that's the way it is. And that's why a guy like Pronger was Mr. Clutch in the playoffs. We don't have those kinds of players on our club. Prust is a great addition but we need more size and grit in my opinion if we want to win a cup.
plekanec is not a smurf. he is 5-11, just like zetterberg or datsyuk. pronger was mr. clutch, but so was lidstrom who wasn't physical at all.

gionta&gallagher play bigger than many big guys, eg. carter, penner or j.williams.

if we don't win a cup, it will be because lack of skill, not grit.

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The obsession with size is amazing. What really matters is strength and guys like Desharnais have insane lower body strength that helps them protect the puck along the boards even vs bigger opponents.

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