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Is Yakupov really the best player [highest potential ceiling] out of the 2012 draft?

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02-25-2013, 11:48 AM
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Too early to tell. Name a player who bas had a bigger rookie year. Stamkos? Nope. Tavares? Dont think so. Seguin/ Hall? Nope again.

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02-25-2013, 11:51 AM
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Stamkos' coach was trying to make it a point to show that "Stamkos wasn't NHL Ready". He was completely wrong and that's why he was fired.

Yakupov is in a much better environment to work in though. The Oilers basically gave the team to the young guns.
Not really.

Stamko's averaged more ice time per game than Yak is currently getting, and the amount of PP time is identical.

It's also worth noting that Yak set up the tying goal to Eberle last game and Krueger rewarded him by not giving him a single shift in overtime.

And as already mentioned, he's not even playing his natural position.

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02-25-2013, 11:51 AM
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But guys like Taylor Hall, Tyler Seguin are good but they simply are not in the same class as guys like Tavares, Stamkos, Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin ect... these guys are at least 2 or 3 levels above.
Well Stamkos, Malkin, Crosby and Ovechkin are on another level from most draft picks, these are very special players. I'd say Hall is close to Tavares but I'd give JT the nod obviously. People will start going crazy and call me a homer but Hall scored two less goals than Tavares did in their second seasons but Hall played 18 less games. JT was -16 Hall was -3.

I like Tavares but I don't think he belongs in the list with Stamkos Crosby Malkin and Ovi.

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02-25-2013, 11:56 AM
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Stamkos' coach was trying to make it a point to show that "Stamkos wasn't NHL Ready". He was completely wrong and that's why he was fired.

Yakupov is in a much better environment to work in though. The Oilers basically gave the team to the young guns.
Yakupov is 7th on the Oilers in TOI and 6th in PP TOI. He is also playing his opposite wing splitting time between the 2nd and 3rd lines.

The Oilers have given the team to Hall, Eberle, RNH, and Gagner not Yakupov.

I don't think Yakupov has been coached as poorly as Stamkos was in his rookie season, but it is not as if Yakupov has been gifted opportunities.

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02-25-2013, 11:56 AM
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I remember reading some people comparing Yakupov to Pavel Bure. Yeah... some people tend to always overrate prospects. I think Yakupov has the potential to be like Semin, can be frustrating to watch at times, but could also be the most exciting player on the ice.

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02-25-2013, 11:56 AM
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Something to consider when comparing Yak to previous oilers 1st overalls is that he's been a little more sheltered and getting less immediate ice time than they did. Hall and Nuge were both thrown right on to the 1st line and meanwhile Yak started on the 2nd line and has been playing on lower lines recently (looks like he'll be on the 4th tonight). So the fact that he's still putting up solid rookie numbers is worth noting.

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02-25-2013, 11:58 AM
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I said it once and I will say it again.....Crosby and Ovi really messed up our expectations of 18 year olds...

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02-25-2013, 12:00 PM
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I said it once and I will say it again.....Crosby and Ovi really messed up our expectations of 18 year olds...
Exactly.

Look at what Tavares and Stamkos did in their rookie seasons. They're superstars in the league now.

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02-25-2013, 12:01 PM
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Sure though, Galch could end up being the best player from the draft, but there is no way the Oilers were going to use a 1st overall pick on a player that played 2 regular season games. The only players the Oilers considered at all for 1st overall were Yak, Murray, Grigorenko, and I think Reinhart.
Reinhart is severely underrated. If this kid improves his skating he will be a beast on the blue line. When he gets used on the pp, he uses his shot very well. Give him 2 years.

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02-25-2013, 12:02 PM
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As a scout you look at a few things:

1.) Who has the biggest toolbox
2.) are they currently putting it together
3.) will they put it together in the future
I would think that is pretty personal, but I guess I don't know what scouts are into these days.

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02-25-2013, 12:03 PM
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Were people even saying Yakupov would be on the Stamkos level?

I dont think so
Well he did break Stamkos' Sarnia Sting scoring record.

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02-25-2013, 12:05 PM
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Well he did break Stamkos' Sarnia Sting scoring record.
If I'm not mistaken, it was for scoring by a Sting rookie, and Stamkos set the record at 16 while Yakupov was 17 when he broke it.

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02-25-2013, 12:06 PM
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Yes. Yes he is.

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02-25-2013, 12:09 PM
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If I'm not mistaken, it was for scoring by a Sting rookie, and Stamkos set the record at 16 while Yakupov was 17 when he broke it.
Stamkos was 5 months younger. But at the same time nail had to adapt to a new game and new culture.

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Stamkos was 5 months younger. But at the same time nail had to adapt to a new game and new culture.
I'm not trying to condemn Yakupov, just saying that it's probably not an entirely fair comparison since they were at different ages/stages in their development.

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02-25-2013, 12:11 PM
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To me, it has always been Galchenyuk. And play so far just confirms it.

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02-25-2013, 12:12 PM
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Wasn't the bolded the other way around with Murray being an overall safe bet and Yak having high ceiling/potential?
Nobody knows. People think they know, but they don't.

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02-25-2013, 12:15 PM
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To me, it has always been Galchenyuk. And play so far just confirms it.
Yea, 15 games is a great window into a 15+ year careers!

Lidstrom, Chara, Datsyuk, D Sedin, H Sedin are all busts

Stamkos and Tavares are 2nd line players

Patrick Kane and RNH are definite superstars

Selanne is the GOAT


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02-25-2013, 12:20 PM
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To me, it has always been Galchenyuk. And play so far just confirms it.
If 15 games can confirm potential ceiling for you, then I think you may be the best player scout in the whole world!

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something that should be considered is the fact the ENTIRE oilers team is having a tough time scoring goals right now - especially EV.

If (I really wish i could say "when") the Oilers finally figure out how to generate 5on5 goals and get scoring depth on multiple lines, we will likely see what Yakupov's real scoring potential is.

Right now, if you look at the team, a lot of guys are struggling to score. I think RNH and Hall can score goals at a much higher rate too but so far this year they've struggled to find the net.

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02-25-2013, 12:24 PM
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Yea, 15 games is a great window into a 15+ year careers!

Lidstrom, Chara, Datsyuk, D Sedin, H Sedin are all busts

Stamkos and Tavares are 2nd line players

Patrick Kane and RNH are definite superstars

Selanne is the GOAT
LOL this post makes alot of sense...

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02-25-2013, 12:30 PM
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Yea, 15 games is a great window into a 15+ year careers!

Lidstrom, Chara, Datsyuk, D Sedin, H Sedin are all busts

Stamkos and Tavares are 2nd line players

Patrick Kane and RNH are definite superstars

Selanne is the GOAT
Holy over-reaction Batman.

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If 15 games can confirm potential ceiling for you, then I think you may be the best player scout in the whole world!
I knew confirms was the wrong word when I posted it. What I meant was something along 'proving thus far'.. still not the best description.

Maybe something like "Yakupov hasn't proven me wrong thus far'.

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02-25-2013, 12:39 PM
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If I had to re-do the draft today, I'd take Galchenyuk first over Yakupov, Yakupov strikes me as a player that will be one dimensional yet will still score well enough (potential 40+ goal scorer), but when things go wrong he will get benched for a full period every once a while and will be at odds with the coaching staff over him sitting.

On the other hand Galchenyuk has been more of a playmaker but you can tell that he has a deadly shot and will no doubt be a regular 30+ goal scorer in his prime, defensively he is by no means considered as solid now but he plays a responsible game and rarely makes a mistake

And yes 15 games is a decent amount of games to make a desicion, considering the Habs probably scouted Gally a max of 10-15 games. Some players have had their stocks rise or completely collapse after a handful of WJC games, the whole "15 games" argument is invalid more often than not.

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02-25-2013, 12:43 PM
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Not sure about the ceiling, but he does have highest potential celly

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02-25-2013, 12:45 PM
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Too early to tell

His play at the WJC was subpar though, he's been good enough for the Oilers but I would not have picked him first overall

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