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02-25-2013, 03:28 AM
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I haven't seen such puck poise in an Avs defenseman since, say... 2004?

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02-25-2013, 03:39 AM
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I don't think confidence was ever an issue with Barrie. He always struck me as a guy that almost had too much of it. Combine it with a few junior moves and it looked like a guy that was trying to force things but that's part of learning what works and doesn't work at the NHL level.

The only blessing of EJ's concussion is that Sacco had to play Barrie and I don't think he's going to give up his 20 minutes a game without a fight.

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02-25-2013, 03:46 AM
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I don't think confidence was ever an issue with Barrie. He always struck me as a guy that almost had too much of it. Combine it with a few junior moves and it looked like a guy that was trying to force things but that's part of learning what works and doesn't work at the NHL level.

The only blessing of EJ's concussion is that Sacco had to play Barrie and I don't think he's going to give up his 20 minutes a game without a fight.
this will be a test for sacco, when Ej comes back, hopefully barrie's ice time doesnt take too much of a hit, i will feel alot more comfortable if we have either barrie or EJ on the ice for 40+ mins a game.

i'm already so sick of zanon.

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02-25-2013, 08:06 AM
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this will be a test for sacco, when Ej comes back, hopefully barrie's ice time doesnt take too much of a hit, i will feel alot more comfortable if we have either barrie or EJ on the ice for 40+ mins a game.

i'm already so sick of zanon.
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02-25-2013, 08:43 AM
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Hopefully the Avs are able to find a partner for EJ, and then they an have EJ's pairing along with Hejda-Barrie out there for roughly 50 minutes a night. Then, if they decide to keep Elliott up, they can play Elliott against the weaker competition and for offensive opportunities.

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02-25-2013, 08:52 AM
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Hopefully the Avs are able to find a partner for EJ, and then they an have EJ's pairing along with Hejda-Barrie out there for roughly 50 minutes a night. Then, if they decide to keep Elliott up, they can play Elliott against the weaker competition and for offensive opportunities.
A Wilson-O'Brien/Elliott isn't a bad third pairing either.
They should play below 15 mins yes.
So if we sometimes would be completely healthy in D then a partner for EJ is basically the only (albeit a difficult) thing we need to fill out the D-corps.

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02-25-2013, 09:42 AM
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I think part of that is coaching. Sacco was using him sparingly and whenever Barrie made a big mistake, exiled him to the press box.

Part of a coach's responsibility is to put his players in a place to succeed. Sacco hadn't done that with Barrie until he was forced to, and now the kid is playing with confidence.

Elliott's got a ton of rust to shake off yet. I still question the logic of calling him up when he should've gotten some games in Lake Erie to get his legs back. I just don't get why Sacco doesn't at least TRY putting O'Brien in there--the guy has moderate puck skill, certainly better than Zanax and O'Byrne.
I actually thinking the benching might have accidentally helped. Now Barrie knows that no matter how badly he screws up, the other defensemen suck so much that the worst case scenario is he sits a couple games until someone else sucks so hard that they need to sit and Tyson gets another shot.

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I haven't seen such puck poise in an Avs defenseman since, say... 2004?
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02-25-2013, 10:17 AM
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I actually thought that Elliott was possibly better than Barrie yesterday against the Ducks. Stef made some nice one on one plays while defending against both Perry and Ryan and got some nice point shots through.

Good to see that both of these guys are in the lineup every game and improving. You can see their confidence growing, especially in Elliott's game.

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02-25-2013, 10:20 AM
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02-25-2013, 10:24 AM
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I actually thought that Elliott was possibly better than Barrie yesterday against the Ducks. Stef made some nice one on one plays while defending against both Perry and Ryan and got some nice point shots through.

Good to see that both of these guys are in the lineup every game and improving. You can see their confidence growing, especially in Elliott's game.
Agreed. Elliott is starting to get his legs underneath him a little bit. If the Avs keep both Barrie and Elliott, the right side looks real good for the future with EJ-Barrie-Elliott. Then the only spot that needs filled is the top pairing left side.

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02-25-2013, 10:37 AM
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Hopefully the Avs are able to find a partner for EJ, and then they an have EJ's pairing along with Hejda-Barrie out there for roughly 50 minutes a night. Then, if they decide to keep Elliott up, they can play Elliott against the weaker competition and for offensive opportunities.
This is exactly what I was thinking. Hejda-Barrie is kind of a rough top pairing but they'd be very serviceable as the second pairing. We've got to add a #2 defenseman. Hopefully the oreilly trade will bring in a 22-25 year old legit #2.

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i would like to see EJ & Barrie play together for a bit, move Elliot up to play with Hedja on the 2nd line and run with that for a bit to see how it goes.

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02-25-2013, 12:11 PM
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i would like to see EJ & Barrie play together for a bit, move Elliot up to play with Hedja on the 2nd line and run with that for a bit to see how it goes.
Sacco never puts a RH defenceman on the left side...unless absolutely necessary due to a shortness of bodies. I don't see it happening.

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02-25-2013, 12:15 PM
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Why would you break up the Hejda - Barrie pairing? Both players have looked better than they have in very long time since being put together.

If it ain't broke...

Find other ways to fix the other two pairs instead.

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I actually thought that Elliott was possibly better than Barrie yesterday against the Ducks. Stef made some nice one on one plays while defending against both Perry and Ryan and got some nice point shots through.

Good to see that both of these guys are in the lineup every game and improving. You can see their confidence growing, especially in Elliott's game.
I'm still waiting for him to start showing the offensive flare in his game he did last season. I don't doubt it will come, but where are the end-end rushes and outstanding wristers? He hasn't been as dangerous offensively as I expected, perhaps in part due to the same problem he has been having all season by playing with weak partners. Zanon or Hunwick should not be with him, we need him to get put up with EJ or Barrie to be if he's more comfortable on the left.

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02-25-2013, 12:19 PM
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I'm still waiting for him to start showing the offensive flare in his game he did last season. I don't doubt it will come, but where are the end-end rushes and outstanding wristers? He hasn't been as dangerous offensively as I expected, perhaps in part due to the same problem he has been having all season by playing with weak partners. Zanon or Hunwick should not be with him, we need him to get put up with EJ or Barrie to be if he's more comfortable on the left.
As RS said above. Sacco doesn't use right shot defensemen on the left unless he has no other choice. That and EJ never plays well on the left. I haven't seen much of Barrie on the left so I can't say there. The best case is if we get EJ a partner for his left side and Wilson comes back and plays well.

ROR Trade-EJ
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02-25-2013, 12:38 PM
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As RS said above. Sacco doesn't use right shot defensemen on the left unless he has no other choice. That and EJ never plays well on the left. I haven't seen much of Barrie on the left so I can't say there. The best case is if we get EJ a partner for his left side and Wilson comes back and plays well.

ROR Trade-EJ
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So fire Sacco?

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I'm still waiting for him to start showing the offensive flare in his game he did last season. I don't doubt it will come, but where are the end-end rushes and outstanding wristers? He hasn't been as dangerous offensively as I expected, perhaps in part due to the same problem he has been having all season by playing with weak partners. Zanon or Hunwick should not be with him, we need him to get put up with EJ or Barrie to be if he's more comfortable on the left.
It will come. I think for now he's just nervous to make defensive mistakes so he isn't taking as many chances as he probably could.

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So fire Sacco?
That wouldn't change the fact that you're putting either EJ or Barrie on their off-side, where they might not be comfortable -- or capable.

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Why would you break up the Hejda - Barrie pairing? Both players have looked better than they have in very long time since being put together.

If it ain't broke...

Find other ways to fix the other two pairs instead.
the only reason i would is so that it can take pressure off EJ on the top pairing. you give him a solid defender who can take over the offensive duties and allow EJ to be strictly a defender and chip in here and there on offense and it makes him so much more of a lethal Dman.

Elliot on offense can have a similar impact to that Barrie's for Hejda. this then shuffles the lines to the players proper roles. Hunwick,O'Brien,O'Byrne & etc get to play as 3rd pairing or lower. as it should be.

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Sacco never puts a RH defenceman on the left side...unless absolutely necessary due to a shortness of bodies. I don't see it happening.
Sacco doesn't do a lot of stuff, he rarely gives rookie D man run but the injury to EJ forced him to change that philosophy so hopefully he will come out of his normal way of thinking and expand to trying different things(yes i know this isn't going to happen, but still, it'd be nice to see)

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That wouldn't change the fact that you're putting either EJ or Barrie on their off-side, where they might not be comfortable -- or capable.
i'm just talking about testing some things out here. if it doesn't work you shuffle Barrie back to the 2nd line with Hejda and no fuss no muss.
but to not try it at all is silly. Barrie might already be the 2nd best D man we have behind EJ.

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It will come. I think for now he's just nervous to make defensive mistakes so he isn't taking as many chances as he probably could.
Elliott was really snakebit in the games I saw in LEM this year. He tried to get it going offensively by jumping up in the play but didn't get anything for it.

All things considered I think he's settled down the last two-three games.

To Sacco's credit he's sticking with the guy because he wants the mobility and puck moving from the back end. For a coach that needs to win, it takes quite a bit of courage.

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They switched Derek Morris to his off-side so he could be paired with Rob Blake, and after some initial problems, finally worked. Too bad David Ling's fist pretty much derailed all that.

I think a Barrie/EJ pairing would work just fine. In fact I think it'd be better than fine, but I'll admit I think the Barrie/Hejda pairing is doing okay thus far. At least Hejda has quit his Martin Skoula impression of late.

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i'm just talking about testing some things out here. if it doesn't work you shuffle Barrie back to the 2nd line with Hejda and no fuss no muss.
but to not try it at all is silly. Barrie might already be the 2nd best D man we have behind EJ.
I think you need to let Barrie get fully comfortable at the NHL level before you mess with his position. It is too soon to try it simply because it might destroy the confidence he has built so far if it goes badly. I wouldn't be opposed to trying it late this season or next season though.

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