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02-25-2013, 12:56 PM
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Most expert predicted a rookie season hovering around 30+goals and 35+ assists. (for a full 80)

They also predicted a sophomore season of around 50 goals and 40+ assists. This is the general consensus. That would put him at Stamkos level.
No they didn't. Your thread is premised on nonsense.

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02-25-2013, 12:57 PM
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No he's not, but would you expect the oilers org to get creative at the draft? Have a look at the oilers brass, mediocrity at its finest.

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Just throwing this out there... we're 17 games into the season and Yakupov sits : 5 goals 5 assists -8
Hall sat : 3 goals 4 assists -8

Yakupov isn't getting as much icetime or PP time as Hall got in his rookie season. I'm not worried at all.

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No he's not, but would you expect the oilers org to get creative at the draft? Have a look at the oilers brass, mediocrity at its finest.
They tried to "get creative" at the draft, there was lots of word that they were considering trading down for Reinhart... obviously couldn't get a good enough deal to make it worth their time though.

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Most expert predicted a rookie season hovering around 30+goals and 35+ assists. (for a full 80)

They also predicted a sophomore season of around 50 goals and 40+ assists. This is the general consensus. That would put him at Stamkos level.
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02-25-2013, 01:10 PM
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He was unanimously until the Oilers won the draft lottery.

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I think Yakupov will be fine. He's only been in the NHL just a month, give him some time to develop. That said I think Galchenyuk will end up being the best player to come out of the 2012 draft.

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02-25-2013, 01:22 PM
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Most expert predicted a rookie season hovering around 30+goals and 35+ assists. (for a full 80)

They also predicted a sophomore season of around 50 goals and 40+ assists. This is the general consensus. That would put him at Stamkos level.
I'd love to see some sources on "most experts" claiming he would be around 30+goals and 35+ assists in his rookie year. I'm calling complete BS on that one.

I'll wait for you to claim you "heard it" and can't find any articles or videos.

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02-25-2013, 01:28 PM
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Were people even saying Yakupov would be on the Stamkos level?

I dont think so
How good was stamkos this far into his rookie year?

Not implying anything other than the fact that question makes this thread funny.

Colossal failure isn't missing the best player in the draft when the guy you took is the guy everyone would have taken. Colossal failure is being in the #1 spot three years straight and seemingly having the mindset that that would make it easy.

Is not all scouting, some teams develop better.

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I said it once and I will say it again.....Crosby and Ovi really messed up our expectations of 18 year olds...
Not to mention that OV was 20 in his rookie year.

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I'd love to see some sources on "most experts" claiming he would be around 30+goals and 35+ assists in his rookie year. I'm calling complete BS on that one.

I'll wait for you to claim you "heard it" and can't find any articles or videos.
I also recall hearing the 30+g & 35+a. If you think that's obsured have a look at the oilers board projection of him, absolutely shocking.

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02-25-2013, 01:33 PM
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I think Galchenyuk has the tools to be a better player than Yakupov

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I also recall hearing the 30+g & 35+a. If you think that's obsured have a look at the oilers board projection of him, absolutely shocking.
Provide a link or you're full of it.

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I think Galchenyuk has the tools to be a better player than Yakupov
So do I. I'll take the physical two-way centre with a high-end skill set over a highly skilled winger any day of the week. Not to mention there are a number of intriguing D prospects from last draft which will take a few years to start making an impact in the NHL.

Wingers are rarely the best player from a draft IMO, unless they have ~Kovalchuk potential (which Yakupov doesn't have IMO) or its a weak draft with no franchise C/D

Centres/D can simply control a game much better than wingers can. So assuming one of the centres or D can become legitimate franchise talents, they should be able to be a stronger core piece than Yakupov will be.

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Most expert predicted a rookie season hovering around 30+goals and 35+ assists. (for a full 80)

They also predicted a sophomore season of around 50 goals and 40+ assists. This is the general consensus. That would put him at Stamkos level.
This... Never happened.

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02-25-2013, 01:56 PM
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As much as it pains me to say it, yes Yak probably does has the highest ceiling. I also think he will be the best goal scorer on the Oilers when all is said and done.

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02-25-2013, 01:57 PM
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He's had a better start to his rookie year then Taylor Hall if that eases your concerns at all. I think he has all the tools to be the best goal scorer on the Oilers.
Taylor Hall did not have a smooth transition to the NHL. Not sure how picking out anomalies helps poster's points.

He's sure no Jeff Skinner. See what I did there?

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There's more BS in this thread than on the Sutter ranch in Alberta.

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02-25-2013, 02:06 PM
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I can say for now i have been more than impressed with Galchenyuk's play. Plays on the third line, very limited minutes ( between 10-13 min a game ) very limited Power play time. In 18 games has 3g 9a and is +9.
Hard to say who will turn out to be the best in the class, everyone hits there potention at different rates, and other factors contribute. I would say revisit this thread at the end of the season at the minimum.

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02-25-2013, 02:06 PM
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To me, it has always been Galchenyuk. And play so far just confirms it.
Galchenyuk and Yakupov were close even on draft day, but the risk from Galchenyuk's injury I think kept him from being considered #1 by most teams. It looks like its not bothering him so far, but its still way too early too tell.

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How good was stamkos this far into his rookie year?

Not implying anything other than the fact that question makes this thread funny.

Colossal failure isn't missing the best player in the draft when the guy you took is the guy everyone would have taken. Colossal failure is being in the #1 spot three years straight and seemingly having the mindset that that would make it easy.

Is not all scouting, some teams develop better.
And therein lies your error. Neither Oilers' management nor the majority of Oilers' fan thought it would be easy to rebuild the franchise from where it was 3-4 seasons ago. Or can you provide any proof that supports your assumption?

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02-25-2013, 02:25 PM
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Murray has a higher ceiling.
Yak is a safer pick though.

Defense are a risky pick as it takes longer for them to develop.
You got that mixed up.

Murray is a low risk low reward player with an underwhelming game. He will undoubtedly be atleast a second pairing D-man, but won't be a game changer.

Yak could be a total bust, or a 50 goal scorer.

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You got that mixed up.

Murray is a low risk low reward player with an underwhelming game. He will undoubtedly be atleast a second pairing D-man, but won't be a game changer.

Yak could be a total bust, or a 50 goal scorer.
I agree (although I think you're selling his upside a little short).

In terms of ceiling I'd say the top 5 is Yakupov > Galchenyuk > Rielly > Murray > Reinhart.

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Were people even saying Yakupov would be on the Stamkos level?

I dont think so
Edmonton fans were, and still are.

Using that excuse that like, 2 or 3 people said this before they ended up with the 1st overall.

He never looked to be a 50 goal scorer. Hell, even Stamkos didn't IIRC. The only guys who do are the Crosby, McDavid, etc. type of prospects, the ones that get hyped the hell out of them.

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From what I remember, Galchenyuk always had the higher ceiling. His health was what made him drop in the draft.

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Taylor Hall did not have a smooth transition to the NHL. Not sure how picking out anomalies helps poster's points.

He's sure no Jeff Skinner. See what I did there?
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