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02-25-2013, 12:15 PM
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And why is he out of position all the time? I'll tell you.
Markov doesn't move.
Meh, you could do worse than have Markov as your mentor out there.

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02-25-2013, 12:17 PM
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C'mon guys. Watch the games. Robidas would probably be the best Habs d-man right now. I love Markov better but he has slowed down -- only the PP and hockey sense makes him slightly better than Robidas. Subban will be better but isn't as polished as Robidas is right now. Diaz plays great, but we still don't know if he will sustain that caliber of hockey for the whole season. Then Robidas is clearly head and shoulders better than Emelin, Bouillon and Gorges. Dammit, he was an all star last year while Habs didn't get any player! He's Dallas #1 d-man for the last 3-4 years, playing 25-30 minutes a game!
Just to let you know, it's now 2013; not 2009. Also, Goligoski is their #1, and has been since they traded Neal and Niskanen for him in '11. Furthermore, Robidas only saw himself start to get those minutes with the loss of Zubov (and time missed by Goligoski), and the result has been a team that has allowed above league average in goals against each year since, with 4th/5th place division finishes, and no trips to the post season.

Robidas might deserve to be considered a short term improvement on one or two players (he is a good player - better than we thought during his time in Montreal), but he's overrated (imo) and at the end of his days, so I'd be careful with who (and how much) I sent the other way to acquire him.

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02-25-2013, 12:19 PM
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Meh, you could do worse than have Markov as your mentor out there.
By Markov not playing his position because of his mobility it wears down on your defensive partner seeing how he has to cover pretty much everything.

I guess no one sees that by the mid point of the game Emelin is as slow as molasses out there.

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02-25-2013, 12:27 PM
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By Markov not playing his position because of his mobility it wears down on your defensive partner seeing how he has to cover pretty much everything.

I guess no one sees that by the mid point of the game Emelin is as slow as molasses out there.
You'll have a hard time convincing me that Markov is this immobile, out of position, dman you are claiming.

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02-25-2013, 12:27 PM
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I know its taboo on here to talk poorly of Markov but imo he's been the one D-man struggling the most as this season wears on. He's playing like a riverboat gambler out there but lacks the legs to make up for his mistakes.

In saying that the Robidas rumour as many have suggested still makes little to no sense at all for us.

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02-25-2013, 12:28 PM
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then make a move for beauchemin

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02-25-2013, 12:29 PM
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Of course, Bergevin's first roster trade move will be acquiring another undersized D.
this is getting dumber and dumber. what a stupid rumor to start ... makes no sense what so ever.

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02-25-2013, 12:29 PM
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Just to let you know, it's now 2013; not 2009. Also, Goligoski is their #1, and has been since they traded Neal and Niskanen for him in '11. Furthermore, Robidas only saw himself start to get those minutes with the loss of Zubov (and time missed by Goligoski), and the result has been a team that has allowed above league average in goals against each year since, with 4th/5th place division finishes, and no trips to the post season.

Robidas might deserve to be considered a short term improvement on one or two players (he is a good player - better than we thought during his time in Montreal), but he's overrated (imo) and at the end of his days, so I'd be careful with who (and how much) I sent the other way to acquire him.
Goligoski, the guy who was a healthy scratch earlier this year? C'mon! Goligoski is a deception.

I agree with you tho that Robidas isn't as good as he was 1-2 years ago and his acquisition would be "short term" improvement, but he would still be in Habs' top 3. We shouldn't be fooled by Habs' early success. Their defense is suspect.

That said, I wrote good things about Robidas, but honnestly, I wouldn't want Bergevin to give youngsters or draft pick for him.

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02-25-2013, 12:35 PM
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And why is he out of position all the time? I'll tell you.
Markov doesn't move.
Players who read the play as well as Markov don't go chasing the puck all over the ice/zone, they put themselves in position to make a play where the puck is going to be.

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02-25-2013, 12:39 PM
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Goligoski, the guy who was a healthy scratch earlier this year? C'mon! Goligoski is a deception.

I agree with you tho that Robidas isn't as good as he was 1-2 years ago and his acquisition would be "short term" improvement, but he would still be in Habs' top 3. We shouldn't be fooled by Habs' early success. Their defense is suspect.

That said, I wrote good things about Robidas, but honnestly, I wouldn't want Bergevin to give youngsters or draft pick for him.
Goligoski has outproduced Robidas AND played more minutes per game AND managed to keep out of the minus +/- while both were in the same lineup. Consider your opinion of Goligoski, and that Robidas doesn't even meet that bar at this point in his career, let alone moving forward.

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02-25-2013, 12:42 PM
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You'll have a hard time convincing me that Markov is this immobile, out of position, dman you are claiming.
Start paying attention then.

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02-25-2013, 12:54 PM
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Mostly the first, but we should be opportune and take advantage of the 2nd.

Adding depth by the top is the best outcome. We can safely dispose of our current #7 or #8 D if opportunity arise because we helped dry up the D market by taking out McDo and Girardi
You are stone cold. And mean as well.


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02-25-2013, 01:52 PM
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I meant this year. Some reports and fans complaining about him. I did not see him at all this year.
Oh, yeah that would make sense, he is 35 after all.

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02-25-2013, 02:04 PM
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Goligoski has outproduced Robidas AND played more minutes per game AND managed to keep out of the minus +/- while both were in the same lineup. Consider your opinion of Goligoski, and that Robidas doesn't even meet that bar at this point in his career, let alone moving forward.
It would take forever to figure out who played more the year Goligoski was traded. Plus three seasons ago doesn't really matter.

However, last year Goligoski played one second more per game than Robidas. This year, Robidas plays 30 seconds more per game than Goligoski. So it would take less than three games this year for Robidas to pass Goligoski.

It's pretty close but Robidas actually plays more minutes per game than Goligoski.

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02-25-2013, 02:38 PM
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I shouldn't have to explain what Subban, Diaz and Emelin have in common.
Or you could do:

Markov - Subban
Gorges - Diaz
Emelin - Robidas


Bouillon is clearly the 6th defencemen at this moment and Emelin is better than him.




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02-25-2013, 02:41 PM
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Why would Dallas trade their most busy d-man ?


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02-25-2013, 02:54 PM
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Or you could do:

Markov - Subban
Gorges - Diaz
Emelin - Robidas


Bouillon is clearly the 6th defencemen at this moment and Emelin is better than him.



It's subjective. I find Bouillon way better than Emelin until now this season. Emelin has been sometime atrocious around his net, taking bad decision after bad decision.

Maybe we can state that it was because he's not playing on his side. It doesn't help, certainly. But still Bouillon has been better than Emelin.

That said, I would keep Emelin instead of bouillon given age and I still think Emelin can improve a bit. But if the playoffs were starting tomorrow, I would prefer to see Bouillon in the lineup instead of Emelin.

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02-25-2013, 03:40 PM
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Beauchemin, Robidas and Hainsey!

I just gotta say Bouillon has really impressed me. I never knew he was such a smooth skater.

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02-25-2013, 03:47 PM
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It would take forever to figure out who played more the year Goligoski was traded. Plus three seasons ago doesn't really matter.

However, last year Goligoski played one second more per game than Robidas. This year, Robidas plays 30 seconds more per game than Goligoski. So it would take less than three games this year for Robidas to pass Goligoski.

It's pretty close but Robidas actually plays more minutes per game than Goligoski.
Robidas is currently a better d-man than Goligoski who was actually a healthy scratch this season. The people who actually watch hockey and don't extrapolate their opinions primarily from statistics would laugh at the mention of Goligoski being currently better than Robidas.

IMO Goligoski is little more than a PP specialist whereas Robidas plays effectively in all situatioins.


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02-25-2013, 03:49 PM
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So what would we do with Kaberle and Emelin?
Push kabs off a small pier.

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Nothing personal against Robidas but....meh. I'm also on the "We need a tough stay at home and physical D with size" bandwagon and Robidas doesn't really fit that profile. We also already have a logjam at D with 2 of them in the pressbox on a full time basis. If it's for Kaberle i'm all in but other than that i would pass.

The man i want is John Eskrine but the Caps re-signed him today so i doubt that he's available.

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02-25-2013, 04:35 PM
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Robidas doesn't make much sense unless there's another deal behind it, or if MB has a secret plan to bring back all the habs defense alumni in which case I guess François Beauchemin is next.

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Is Robidas better than Bouillon ? better than Emelin ?
Apples, Oranges and Pears. All three different players.

Robidas would be an upgrade defensively and that would move Emelin to the left side where he belongs. Robidas is not a #7.

Gorges-Subban
Markov-Robidas?
Emelin-Diaz

Don't like it, but I don't like our current D and they're getting the job done.

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