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Metro Seattle: NHL, NBA and Arena - Part VI

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02-25-2013, 02:03 PM
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EIS will be Completed by November.

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EIS will be Completed by November.
SD - Thought read a report online that the EIS would be done April/May. At work, so I'll have to dig it up later on. May also be confusing it with something else.

* or gstommylee can chime in that would be great too

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02-25-2013, 03:45 PM
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SD - Thought read a report online that the EIS would be done April/May. At work, so I'll have to dig it up later on. May also be confusing it with something else.

* or gstommylee can chime in that would be great too

Draft EIS is may/june final EIS is November and that is according to the timeline that was in the presentation in the council briefing. Who knows it could get done sooner. It just depends on what the draft EIS entails regarding stuff that needs to be mitigated.

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Any recent sightings of Lil Gary in Seattle recently?


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So the gist of today's sactown CM over arena. They have to start all over on arena deal (but apparently their plan is further than seattles)

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02-25-2013, 07:30 PM
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Note the economic impact statement is out apirl/may unless that what was Major4Boarding ready about.

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Reviewing the Council agenda notes, it appears that we could have shovel in ground by December.

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Reviewing the Council agenda notes, it appears that we could have shovel in ground by December.
I think that could be the latest. It could happen sooner depending on how long it takes to go from draft to final draft.

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02-26-2013, 10:37 AM
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I think that could be the latest. It could happen sooner depending on how long it takes to go from draft to final draft.
Sooner we get shovel in ground, better shot we have at 2015-2016 opener

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So the gist of today's sactown CM over arena. They have to start all over on arena deal (but apparently their plan is further than seattles)
Umm...what? I don't understand what you have just written. What is the point you are trying to convey here? Thanks!

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02-26-2013, 01:46 PM
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Umm...what? I don't understand what you have just written. What is the point you are trying to convey here? Thanks!
They have to start over from scratch their arena deal.

But according to some of their media and their fans, they are actually further along than we are.

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So if Pheonix moves to Seattle, what would happen with the Pirates in Portland Maine?

Arent minor league affiliates usually close to the parent club to make it easier / quicker for call ups?

Is there anything from blocking the Pirates from moving to the other Portland, or somewhere else (even somewhere random like Boise?)

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So if Pheonix moves to Seattle, what would happen with the Pirates in Portland Maine?

Arent minor league affiliates usually close to the parent club to make it easier / quicker for call ups?

Is there anything from blocking the Pirates from moving to the other Portland, or somewhere else (even somewhere random like Boise?)
The limited revenue potential of AHL teams ensures that travel costs are a huge expense line item, making west coast re-location for the most part, prohibitive. (Abbotsford BC is an example of a municipal government subsidized exception.)

Los Angeles and San Jose both have east coast AHL affiliates (in fact, not that far from Portland ME), and Vancouver's is in distant Chicago.

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If a team moves to Seattle, that'd be another potential team to support the Pacific AHL equivalent league that was proposed a few years back. Vancouver, Seattle, San Jose, LA, Anaheim, Edmonton, Calgary and Phoenix (assuming expansion and not moving) would be 8 teams, which isn't bad. It might make sense for Colorado's affiliate to be out west as well.

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The limited revenue potential of AHL teams ensures that travel costs are a huge expense line item, making west coast re-location for the most part, prohibitive. (Abbotsford BC is an example of a municipal government subsidized exception.)

Los Angeles and San Jose both have east coast AHL affiliates (in fact, not that far from Portland ME), and Vancouver's is in distant Chicago.
There's a report that the Abbotsford Heat might be relocating to Utica, NY; http://bc.ctvnews.ca/abbotsford-heat...port-1.1170142.

If it happens, it would further kill the possibiliy of a Seattle NHL team (or any other NHL team) having a western AHL affiliate. Consider that the Heat are in the same division as teams based out of Cleveland, Hamilton, Rochester, and Toronto and currently the only AHL team west of the Central Time Zone. Unless there was a block of AHL teams willing to go west, say 5 which enough to fill a division, and they were relatively close together - it financially won't work.

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02-26-2013, 05:33 PM
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You don't really need to have your affiliate be that close because you don't know where you'll be when you need to call up a player. You most likely want your affiliate in a place that has an airport that can get them to where they need to be as fast as possible. Minnesota's affiliate isn't close in Houston but they're a major hub that can get a player pretty much anywhere at any time. Same thing with Vancouver and Chicago, Colorado and Cleveland etc.

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From the Sounders FC Season Tickets page:
Lowest price: $23.00/game
Highest price: $90.00/game

From Ticketmaster

Sounders vs. Montreal (March 2nd):
$37.29-113.32 (US)
(Plus taxes and fees)

Vancouver vs. LA Kings (March 2nd):
$80-$355 (CA)

For what it's worth.
You can't compare Canucks ticket prices to the Seattle team's ticket prices. The Canucks prices are some of the highest in the league and they've been sold out for like 10 years.


If you want to compare, check out the Avs prices. Similar sized city with similar sports competition (NFL, MLB, NBA, MLS, NLL, NCAAFB, etc). their tickets for an upcoming game are available from $21 - 217 from their Ticket Horse website. Similarly Minnesota with same scenario has tickets upcoming for $36 - 263. Dallas has tickets from $10-140.

And the argument that too many Canadians would buy seasons tickets is lame. That is even a greater reason to get the team to Seattle. From Surrey/Langley to downtown Vancouver or downtown Seattle could be about only a 30 min difference with various traffic situations. As noted Buffalo Sabres survives on this model for 40+ years.

E: For that Canucks game.. If you bothered to look, the only seats you can get pairs together are lower bowl ends for $210 each. There is demand.


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You can't compare Canucks ticket prices to the Seattle team's ticket prices. The Canucks prices are some of the highest in the league and they've been sold out for like 10 years.
I agree that comparing Vancouver Canucks and Seattle Sounders ticket prices is a case of apples and oranges. My reply was in response to a poster who wrote that Sounders F.C. ticket prices were "...inexpensive family entertainment...." I simply disagreed with that specific statement.


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Well.... wouldn't the obvious thing just be for Seattle to pick up the rights to the Chicago Wolves, considering the ownership relationship that already exists with that team? If memory serves, the affiliation between the Wolves and Nucks runs up this offseason, after all.

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Don Levin owns the Chicago Wolves and they aren't going anywhere. If he buys the Coyotes the Canucks would gladly swap affiliates with Portland. Portland isn't going anywhere either.

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I just love the fact that things have progressed (knock on wood) in a potential NHL team being in Seattle that affiliates are being discussed here on HFB!!

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Don Levin owns the Chicago Wolves and they aren't going anywhere. If he buys the Coyotes the Canucks would gladly swap affiliates with Portland. Portland isn't going anywhere either.
I'm well aware that the Wolves aren't going anywhere. With the possible exception of the Bears, they're probably the most profitable team in the AHL right now.

Changing affiliation is what I mean.

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They have to start over from scratch their arena deal.

But according to some of their media and their fans, they are actually further along than we are.
Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification!

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Can't wait till we get a team here

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