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02-25-2013, 01:32 PM
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TDMM picks Cy Denneny
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02-25-2013, 01:45 PM
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TDMM picks Cy Denneny
Damn! I really want him as my 4th line LW.

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02-25-2013, 01:56 PM
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Thanks! Yeah I really tried to specialize the team into a cohesive unit but I guess that didn't fly with most people. I was pretty happy with it though.
Your forward crop was unbelievably stacked, but your D wasn't the strongest and while Fuhr was a great choice for that team stylistically, he's still a bottom 10 goalie.

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02-25-2013, 02:16 PM
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Your forward crop was unbelievably stacked, but your D wasn't the strongest and while Fuhr was a great choice for that team stylistically, he's still a bottom 10 goalie.
Well I can't say I was expecting to win a lot of 2-1 games.. I was expecting to win a lot of 5-4 games.

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02-25-2013, 02:26 PM
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Well I can't say I was expecting to win a lot of 2-1 games.. I was expecting to win a lot of 5-4 games.
The strength of the forward lines alone would have cruised to a lot of wins in the season, but obviously the voters thought your second and third pairings would have been exposed in a playoff series.

And while Fuhr's huge saves at key moments are legendary, he also tended to get lit up a lot.

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02-25-2013, 03:00 PM
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Gary Bergman, D

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Gary Bergman was a solid all-around defenseman in his 12-year NHL tenure. A fine skater with a knack for making smart decisions on offense, he also took a physical approach to the game when guarding his end of the ice. Known primarily for his decade long service in Detroit, Bergman also impressed as a member of Team Canada during the 1972 Summit Series.
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His well-rounded play made him useful on both the power-play and penalty-killing units for the Wings. Although he incurred his share of penalties, Bergman wasn't considered a surly opponent on the ice. He rarely looked for trouble but also never backed down from an onrushing opponent, whether he was a fancy scorer or a power forward.
Bergman was never a superstar, but he was quietly one of the NHL's best all-round defensemen for about 7 years.

7 straight years of all star consideration:

10th in 1967
8th in 1968
15th in 1969
11th in 1970
12th in 1971
8th in 1972
8th in 1973

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Bergman played a lot of minutes during his prime in the NHL. While time on ice was not recorded at the time, we can estimate it from the number of goals the player was on the ice for, starting in 1967-68.

Here are the leaders among defenceman in estimated time on ice per game over the six years from 67-68 to 72-73.

1. Bobby Orr, 30.3
2. JC Tremblay, 28.7
3. Pat Stapleton, 28.6
4. Gary Bergman, 28.2
5. Jacques Laperriere, 27.9

The leaders in estimated even strength ice time per game over the same period.

1. Gary Bergman, 22.9
2. Pat Stapleton, 22.8
3. Jacques Laperriere, 22.6
4. Bill White, 22.3
5. Bobby Orr, 22.2

Bergman had some offensive skills. Over the period 1966-67 to 1971-72, he had 206 points, 4th among defencemen over that time (Orr, Stapleton, Tremblay). 154 of those points came at even strength, 3rd among defencemen (Orr, Stapleton).
Bergman is best known for playing all 8 games of the Summit Series as Brad Park's more defensively-oriented partner.
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02-25-2013, 03:04 PM
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Sorry for the delay - Ron Ellis was the guy I was trying to trade up for, and Don Marcotte was my backup plan. Ended up going in a different direction.

A well-rounded defenseman like Bergman gives me a lot of options in the ATD playoffs, depending on the matchup.

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02-25-2013, 03:14 PM
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I was between Vadnais and Bergman to start my third pairing. I basically flipped a coin as I didn't have time to do an in depth comparison.

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02-25-2013, 03:21 PM
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...A well-rounded defenseman like Bergman gives me a lot of options in the ATD playoffs, depending on the matchup.
Best dman available

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02-25-2013, 03:29 PM
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I was between Vadnais and Bergman to start my third pairing. I basically flipped a coin as I didn't have time to do an in depth comparison.
Vadnais is better offensively, but Bergman is more well-rounded - depends what you were going for. Bergman was actually my second choice after Lloyd Cook all the way back.

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02-25-2013, 05:06 PM
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Vadnais is better offensively, but Bergman is more well-rounded - depends what you were going for. Bergman was actually my second choice after Lloyd Cook all the way back.
If I didn't get Beck I definitely would have taken Bergman with one of the picks I traded you for him.

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02-25-2013, 05:08 PM
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The Minnesota Fight Saints select Smokey Harris, LW

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02-25-2013, 05:09 PM
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The Minnesota Fight Saints select Smokey Harris, LW
Bubba took him after re-picking Rusty

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02-25-2013, 05:10 PM
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I coulda swore Smokeyt Harris was already picked..

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02-25-2013, 05:11 PM
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After much deliberation, the Fireworks are going to select our number 5 Dman. stay at home PK Monster:

D Bill Hajt

After selecting Hajt, the Fireworks are going to move Svedberg down to the bottom pairing.


Gerard - Reardon
Grant - Hajt
XXXXX - Svedberg


sorry to the couple of you who I was PM'ing. I couldnt see anything working out and I am heading out for a couple hours (did not want to hold the draft up)

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02-25-2013, 05:12 PM
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fek, is every good 3rd line winger gone?

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02-25-2013, 05:15 PM
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Sorry did not realize Nalyds pick was not valid, Once he picks can someone PM the next GM, i'm out for a while.

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02-25-2013, 05:16 PM
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Mark's pick should stand anyways since Nallie made an illegal pick.

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02-25-2013, 05:18 PM
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After much deliberation, the Fireworks are going to select our number 5 Bill Hajt
I don't think you want him as more than a #6 at even strength, but he's a great penalty killer.

Here's a fun random bit of trivia:

Most times top pairing on a top 3 penalty kill (1968-2008):

Chris "Cheli" Chelios 9
Bill Hajt 6
Denis "Baby Bear" Potvin 5
Ray "Bubba" Bourque 5
Serge "The Senator" Savard 4
Mike "Rammer" Ramsey 4
Scott "Captain Crunch" Stevens 4
Tim "Superman" Horton 4
Nicklas "Lidas" Lidstrom 4
Terry "Harp" Harper 3
XXX 3
XXX 3
Guy "Pointu" Lapointe 3
XXX 3
Bill White 3
Jim "Schony" Schoenfeld 3
XXX 3

You can tell from the goofy nicknames that the source is pnep. It's definitely a team stat - Hajt got help from Ramsay, Luce, and the small Buffalo rink, but he did his part too, I'm sure.

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02-25-2013, 05:18 PM
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Mark's pick should stand anyways since Nallie made an illegal pick.
Yes, ATD tradition is that the clock moves on to the next person if a GM mispicks.

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02-25-2013, 05:21 PM
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I repick, selecting Jiri Holik, LW

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02-25-2013, 05:24 PM
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I repick, selecting Jiri Holik, LW
I think he's a great pick for a two-way third line. Peaked at 2nd, 2nd, 3rd in Golden stick voting in consecutive seasons. Seems like a better defensive player than Smokey Harris, but not as gritty. I strongly considered him with my last pick, but decided against it since I'm using my third line as more of a matchup line, rather than a two-way line.

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02-25-2013, 05:35 PM
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I think he's a great pick for a two-way third line. Peaked at 2nd, 2nd, 3rd in Golden stick voting in consecutive seasons. Seems like a better defensive player than Smokey Harris, but not as gritty. I strongly considered him with my last pick, but decided against it since I'm using my third line as more of a matchup line, rather than a two-way line.
With our 1st line being an elite shutdown line, the 3rd line doesn't have to be, but it does have to be a unit that commits to an overall team defense concept.

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02-25-2013, 05:40 PM
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It depends on what you're looking for from him.

He has a crazy set of skills but a lack of size really hurts him defensively in this environment.

As a 6th defenseman who is there to be a PP specialist you could hardly do better. He can skate like the wind, make plays and has a booming shot.
That's exactly the plan. There was simply few players that brought his shot, pp skills, energy and commitment. PP specialists are starting to be more headcase type players who didn't put it all together. Whereas Reijo was just held back because of his size. That I can work with. That can be coached around.

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02-25-2013, 05:44 PM
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sorry to the couple of you who I was PM'ing. I couldnt see anything working out and I am heading out for a couple hours (did not want to hold the draft up)
Honestly, I'm more intersted in you 420 pick.

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