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02-24-2013, 05:01 PM
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Depending on the pick and prospects coming back, I would be willing to trade Gabby.

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02-24-2013, 08:42 PM
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This trade talk is starting to make me hate being a Rangers fan.

We have a good core. We have good prospects. What we need is discipline and motivation.

I'm not buying this. This isn't the Rangers identity from the last two seasons. I feel like this team doesn't even HAVE an identity. We were spoiled because last years team had a strong and tight night chemistry. It was unspoken that if you messed with one Ranger you messed with all of them. Our identity was a team that was willing to win in any way shape or form, whether that be through a dog fight or not.

The Broadway hat wasn't a status symbol like it is this year, it was a sign that you earned the team's respect. Losing Prust and Dubinsky hurt, YES, but its no excuse. Others needed to step up and continue the identity for the team to remain successful. Instead, our incumbent star players decided to relax and relinquish any leadership type qualities that would have made this team more tight nit. Where's Callahan's leadership? He's decided to become a human anvil throwing himself at bodies without purpose, he seems to have lost his focus. Where's Richards in general? Enough of this, Brad will get it talk from you Torts. He needs a kick in the ass and a wake up or you'll be riding the pine before you know it message. The list goes on.

The team is playing with no PASSION, no IDENTITY. That is our problem, not which players need to be traded and amnestied. I'm tired of watching these lackluster passionless performances by them. I'm also tired of coming on these boards and watching our fans remain so unfaithful.

The only thing that can fix this team is Tortorella burying his idiotic stubborness, taking a step back, and allowing this team to grow. Constant line changes and public threatening of benching players is unacceptable. The path to success starts from the top. Hope he recognizes this before its too late this season.

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02-24-2013, 08:48 PM
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Not saying this is the solution to all of our problems but it's time to bring up michael haley, he'll bring a ton of much needed energy to our team and insure none of our players are pushed around without retribution. This team has zero heart, zero energy and haley can bring that. Imo he's prust 2.0 but perhaps a better skater.

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02-24-2013, 08:50 PM
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This place needs more homer fans?

"You Rangers, you are the wind beneath my wings. So, you didn't respond to the Pacioretty hit and our inept coach was telling you guys to still block shots on a 5-on-3 when the game was over. You golden champions, I believe in you. At least you showed up to the game yesterday, and that's half the battle.

I love you."
Yes, that's exactly what I meant.

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02-24-2013, 09:12 PM
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3) Cutting ice time on my top line. Nash before the injury was being overused. Early on Richards was too. This system is grueling on players. Works better when top producers aren't overworked. 24 minutes is too much ice for a forward. If your not going to run a 4th line with enforcers that means you have more guys that can handle regular shifts. Know what you are working with. Top line center is aged. Top line RW is a big guy. Can't overwork a big guy by grinding him. Keep your top line fresh. Cut ice time on your second line as well. Give you bottom 6 more opportunity. If you look at a team like the Habs, thier third line is as important to the club as the top two lines. They are cohesive as a unit. Rangers, nearly 20 games in don't truly have designated lines yet.
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not saying I alone brought it up, but I;ve been saying that for a while now....

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02-24-2013, 09:18 PM
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You are smoking crack if you think Chicago takes that deal. The only thing the Blackhawks want to do when Slats proposes that is hang up the phone.
Dead wrong.
Most of their base wants Boyle, the issue was w/o overpayment or depleting depth.
There were open to but not 100% sure they could part with Olsen.
Now they can.

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02-25-2013, 02:01 AM
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Anyone beginning to see any validity to the claim - think it was from Dagoon - that there were locker room issues in New York and that was why Rupp was moved out?
I think there may be some fire behind the smoke here.
Cally really needs to step up now and take over the team - showing he is the to go guy. On & off the ice.

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02-25-2013, 03:18 AM
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Rick Nash with $7,600,000 in salary (#18th NHL 2013) has 14 GP - 3 goals - 9 assists - 12 points but is only #96th in NHL points and a +9 with 0 PP goals in 53:59 played on PP. 0,86 PPG. Career NHL stats = 692 GP - 562 points, 0,81 PPG
Marian Gaborik with $7,500,000 in salary (#19th NHL 2013) has 17 GP - 7 goals - 4 assists - 11 points but is only #103rd in NHL points and a +0 with 0 PP goals in 59:34 played on PP. 0,65 PPG. Career NHL stats = 794 GP - 693 points; 0,87 PPG
Brad Richards with $12,000,000 in salary (#5th NHL 2013) has 17 GP - 2 goals - 9 assists - 11 points but is only #117th in NHL points and a +1 with 0 PP goals 71:31 played on PP. 0,65 PPG. Career NHL stats = 954 GP - 870 points; 0,91 PPG.

These 3 players - all paid to be superstars - are not putting up the points to warrant this. Plain & simple.
The Team Captain has also had a very slow start offensively.
Ryan Callahan is making $4.000.000 this year
yet he is in 283rd place!! in total scoring in the NHL with 14 GP - 4 goals - 1 assist - 4 points and is a -4. 0,36 PPG.
But he has actually scored 3 PP goals in 51:43 PP time.

The rest of the top 9 - Hagelin, Stepan, Miller/Kreider, Pyatt, and Boyle - are not paid to lead the way offensively
They are either young and/or regarded as secondary pieces
Hence - together these 6 players have $0,875m, $0,875m, ~$2,600m (combined), $1,550m and $1,700m in salary this year.
That is ~ $6,250m combined - or around one fifth of what the Top 4 "to go guys" are getting in total salary.
But their point production is 34 points vs 39 points for the top 4.
Hired guns shooting blanks?
Talk about a terrible return on investment so far!
Players or System???


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02-25-2013, 05:29 AM
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Rick Nash with $7,600,000 in salary (#18th NHL 2013) has 14 GP - 3 goals - 9 assists - 12 points but is only #96th in NHL points and a +9 with 0 PP goals in 53:59 played on PP. 0,86 PPG. Career NHL stats = 692 GP - 562 points, 0,81 PPG
Marian Gaborik with $7,500,000 in salary (#19th NHL 2013) has 17 GP - 7 goals - 4 assists - 11 points but is only #103rd in NHL points and a +0 with 0 PP goals in 59:34 played on PP. 0,65 PPG. Career NHL stats = 794 GP - 693 points; 0,87 PPG
Brad Richards with $12,000,000 in salary (#5th NHL 2013) has 17 GP - 2 goals - 9 assists - 11 points but is only #117th in NHL points and a +1 with 0 PP goals 71:31 played on PP. 0,65 PPG. Career NHL stats = 954 GP - 870 points; 0,91 PPG.

These 3 players - all paid to be superstars - are not putting up the points to warrant this. Plain & simple.
The Team Captain has also had a very slow start offensively.
Ryan Callahan is making $4.000.000 this year
yet he is in 283rd place!! in total scoring in the NHL with 14 GP - 4 goals - 1 assist - 4 points and is a -4. 0,36 PPG.
But he has actually scored 3 PP goals in 51:43 PP time.

The rest of the top 9 - Hagelin, Stepan, Miller/Kreider, Pyatt, and Boyle - are not paid to lead the way offensively
They are either young and/or regarded as secondary pieces
Hence - together these 6 players have $0,875m, $0,875m, ~$2,600m (combined), $1,550m and $1,700m in salary this year.
That is ~ $6,250m combined - or around one fifth of what the Top 4 "to go guys" are getting in total salary.
But their point production is 34 points vs 39 points for the top 4.
Hired guns shooting blanks?
Talk about a terrible return on investment so far!
Players or System???
Sounds alot like the pre-lockout Rangers.

not liking that.

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02-25-2013, 09:17 AM
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Not having a 1st round pick this year makes me leery of trading Gaborik. Unless we get a premium return, it's probably best to wait until the draft. It's unlikely that whoever we get in the deal is going to help us win immediately.

With an elite goalie in his prime, and Rick Nash on your roster for several more years, you just can't "blow it up" unless you go full nuclear by trading both of those players. That's just never going to happen -- at least not while Slats is running the show.

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02-25-2013, 09:25 AM
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Not having a 1st round pick this year makes me leery of trading Gaborik. Unless we get a premium return, it's probably best to wait until the draft. It's unlikely that whoever we get in the deal is going to help us win immediately.

With an elite goalie in his prime, and Rick Nash on your roster for several more years, you just can't "blow it up" unless you go full nuclear by trading both of those players. That's just never going to happen -- at least not while Slats is running the show.
I think moving Gaborik and building around Nash isn't a bad idea. Need a good return for sure though.

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02-25-2013, 09:57 AM
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I think moving Gaborik and building around Nash isn't a bad idea. Need a good return for sure though.
The return is very important because it needs to be a quick turn around. Otherwise you're just burning more of Nash and Henke's prime years while we try and fill spots from within. What team is willing to move NHL-ready bodies for Gaborik? I'd imagine the list is rather short and likely gets even shorter when you factor in his NTC and the salary cap implications.

If I were going to move him, I'd want a top-4 D and a A/B level forward prospect, or a 2nd line forward, plus a A/B level D prospect. Plus a first round pick this year, but I'd settle for a 2nd if the prospect was good enough.

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The return is very important because it needs to be a quick turn around. Otherwise you're just burning more of Nash and Henke's prime years while we try and fill spots from within. What team is willing to move NHL-ready bodies for Gaborik? I'd imagine the list is rather short and likely gets even shorter when you factor in his NTC and the salary cap implications.

If I were going to move him, I'd want a top-4 D and a A/B level forward prospect, or a 2nd line forward, plus a A/B level D prospect. Plus a first round pick this year, but I'd settle for a 2nd if the prospect was good enough.
I think there would be quite a few teams willing to give something like that. Either way, I am in the camp that thinks taking that 7.5 million and distributing it to other players + the return they would get is greater than anything they could get from Gaborik.

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I think moving Gaborik and building around Nash isn't a bad idea. Need a good return for sure though.
Then we're a one gun team all over again. Right back to where we were last year only we lost Dubi, AA and a first and replaced a 40 goal scorer with a 30 goal scorer. I don't like that at all.

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I haven't posted for the longest time and kept my council to myself.

The team didn't go through the rigorous pre-season programme of last year and we now show the lack of the toughness, drive and hard work that made us successful last year.

lets face it, last years team could have gone all the way, we were 2 - 3 players away from greatness, I truly believe that.

But started retooling with . Asham, Halpern, Pyatt:

I simply don't think that any of those guys are an improvement on Dubinsky!
or Prust for that matter who did score some clutch goals in tight ugly games, we don't have those anymore.

Nash is an improvement on Anisimov. So with or without Nash we ought to be
as good as we were last year.


Now there is talk of throwing Richards and Gabby overboard. God forbid!
We need them, or we will continue retooling and retooling and we will get further and further away from the core of potential cup winners we had last year around the Winter Classic period.

I say be patient, Richards will come out of the funk! Callahan will come good,

Asham needs to go. Halpern is your Feds replacement straight up (even though
has more goals in him than Halpern). Our only solution is to ride out this valley.
Any more roster fiddling will bring more unstability. No quick fix solutions here.

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Then we're a one gun team all over again. Right back to where we were last year only we lost Dubi, AA and a first and replaced a 40 goal scorer with a 30 goal scorer. I don't like that at all.
You're absolutely correct, except we'd get players in return for Gabby.

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I think there would be quite a few teams willing to give something like that. Either way, I am in the camp that thinks taking that 7.5 million and distributing it to other players + the return they would get is greater than anything they could get from Gaborik.
It really depends. It's a gamble. What I don't want is a reclamation project coming back in the deal. I want someone proven. Chemistry is so fickle that counting on breaking one guy into smaller pieces and then having those pieces fit properly is a big leap of faith.

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NYR should look to the way BRUINS are built . Not one huge sniper but a full forward core of two way players who all score 20-30 in
Lucid , sequin Marchand , Horton , krecji . And a whoe crew of D men who can flat out fire missiles. It's amazing that their PP stinks also . Their balanced gritty scoring is what we need here .

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It really depends. It's a gamble. What I don't want is a reclamation project coming back in the deal. I want someone proven. Chemistry is so fickle that counting on breaking one guy into smaller pieces and then having those pieces fit properly is a big leap of faith.
Just try and get good value back for him and use his money on a free agent over the off-season. They did it with Gomez

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Just try and get good value back for him and use his money on a free agent over the off-season. They did it with Gomez
With the way our big-name FA's have panned out, not sure I'm thrilled with that idea. Out of the last 5 big time players we brought in, only one of them has worked out and now we're talking about trading him too.

My own opinion is that you should build from within, and then fill the holes with trades and free agents, not the other way around.

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Without changing roster . Wade Richards has to play better. Gaby needs to score more consistently not just a once a month hat trick in a blow out.
PYatt a big boy needs to play with a whole lot more edge . He needs to maybe board a few players , drop the mitts and grow a mean streak . If BB continues to get minutes he needs to do the same . Whole teams hitting is way down. NYR should call up Haley and make him the teams new Prust / Avery hybrid pest / middle weight. I like Powe and HALPERN in their roles but they are vanilla / no edge players .
NYR have no edge no toughness . PYatt is as big as Lucic needs to start hitting and decapitating guys like him .

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With the way our big-name FA's have panned out, not sure I'm thrilled with that idea. Out of the last 5 big time players we brought in, only one of them has worked out and now we're talking about trading him too.

My own opinion is that you should build from within, and then fill the holes with trades and free agents, not the other way around.
I agree with you, but since the Rangers won't suck enough to get a top draft pick one of the best ways to stock the system is to trade for very good young players. Stock-pile young players, draft picks, etc.

Unless the player they are signing has the physical tools to dominate I no longer want any part of them.

Gomez
Drury
Redden
Rozsival to lesser extent
Richards

None of them were able to physically dominate and impose their will. Gaborik is a hybrid as he will show up for game and then disappear again.

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I agree with you, but since the Rangers won't suck enough to get a top draft pick one of the best ways to stock the system is to trade for very good young players. Stock-pile young players, draft picks, etc.

Unless the player they are signing has the physical tools to dominate I no longer want any part of them.

Gomez
Drury
Redden
Rozsival to lesser extent
Richards

None of them were able to physically dominate and impose their will. Gaborik is a hybrid as he will show up for game and then disappear again.
Only way we get very good young players in trade is to trade one or two of our established youngish players . I mentioned this before and was crucified . I don't want to trade one of Staal / Girardi / Gaborik as much as anyone but they are the players teams on verge of cup will want lets be real

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Only way we get very good young players in trade is to trade one or two of our established youngish players . I mentioned this before and was crucified . I don't want to trade one of Staal / Girardi / Gaborik as much as anyone but they are the players teams on verge of cup will want lets be real
Out of those three, the answer is simple. Gaborik.

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