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2014 - Canada Roster Discussion (Part IV)

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02-25-2013, 07:09 AM
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In your opinion Jack, who will get that sixth spot? IMO I think Weber, Keith, Pietrangelo, Letang, and Drew Doughty are all going to have spots. That sixth one for me is a bit open.

Seabs and Danny G look like good picks and I don't really hate this list though I disagree a bit. I think its Seabs because of the Chicago connection and the fact that he's already been there and done that. The tough part is going to be balancing vets vs. younger roster players. Last time around Stevie Y and his crew did a heck of a job setting up there team mixing in young talent where needed and vets when it counted. The bottom six for Canada will be difficult to choose and the sixth spot is a question AFAIC
I agree that the first five spots are pretty much locked down. I think Seabrook gets a spot because he was on the team in 2010, he's improved since that time and he brings a more defensive approach that could be useful on the PK. I also agree with DyerMaker66 about Marc Staal. He brings size, good skating, elite defence and a left handed shot that is scarce on Canada. For the last spot (assuming 8 defencemen) I could see almost anyone.

Projection 1:
Keith Weber
Doughty Pietrangelo
Staal Letang
Seabrook

Projection 2:
Doughty Weber
Letang Pietrangelo
Keith Seabrook
Staal

PP1: Doughty - Weber
PP2: Letang - Pietrangelo

PK1: Keith - Seabrook
PK2: Staal - Weber

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I agree that the first five spots are pretty much locked down. I think Seabrook gets a spot because he was on the team in 2010, he's improved since that time and he brings a more defensive approach that could be useful on the PK. I also agree with DyerMaker66 about Marc Staal. He brings size, good skating, elite defence and a left handed shot that is scarce on Canada. For the last spot (assuming 8 defencemen) I could see almost anyone.

Projection 1:
Keith Weber
Doughty Pietrangelo
Staal Letang
Seabrook

Projection 2:
Doughty Weber
Letang Pietrangelo
Keith Seabrook
Staal

PP1: Doughty - Weber
PP2: Letang - Pietrangelo

PK1: Keith - Seabrook
PK2: Staal - Weber
Keith and Doughty played together in Vancouver, and were fantastic. They could pair up as well.

Agreed, and I'd still lean towards Hamhuis for the #8 spot based on his skillset - great skater, good passer, very strong defensively. Coburn, Del Zotto, Campbell, Bouwmeester (all lefties), in that order, are up next for me. With only Keith and Staal as LHers amongst the top-7, we'll need to balance that off and we have some pretty good options in order to do so.

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Stamkos with that one timer on the left and the fact that Weber can break nets is ridiculous on the other side. Blocking shots is going to have to be the stuff of warriors.
Weber and Stamkos are both RHed, so I'd think they would both play on the left side on the PP for a better shooting angle at the net (and for easier one-timers). Giroux, a RHer, would theoretically be better able to distribute the puck to them.

Same goes for Crosby (LHed) and Neal (a LHed right winger), so Neal would fit well at RW on the PP, with Sid.

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02-25-2013, 09:14 AM
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Weber and Stamkos are both RHed, so I'd think they would both play on the left side on the PP for a better shooting angle at the net (and for easier one-timers). Giroux, a RHer, would theoretically be better able to distribute the puck to them.

Same goes for Crosby (LHed) and Neal (a LHed right winger), so Neal would fit well at RW on the PP, with Sid.
Completely forgot Shea's a RH shot, I've been too busy worrying about the US PP and PK units.

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does anybody know if Trotz or Tippett have a shot at being headcoach, or are they going with Babcock again?

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does anybody know if Trotz or Tippett have a shot at being headcoach, or are they going with Babcock again?
They would probably be assistant coaches, if anything.

Also; is Tavares a shoo in?

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They would probably be assistant coaches, if anything.

Also; is Tavares a shoo in?
Pretty much so, imo. He's just below the locks like Crosby, Toews,and most of our defence.

Babcock - Julien, Quenneville, and either Boucher, Vigneault, Sutter, Tippett, or McLellan. lol


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Are they using the big ice surface, 200 by 100, in Sochi?

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Are they using the big ice surface, 200 by 100, in Sochi?
I heard the ice size was going to be half way between the international and the NHL but I am probably wrong.

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Of the Top 30 scorers in the NHL, 20 are Canadian. This team should have no trouble scoring.

Of the Top 30 scorers in the NHL, 1 is American. Makes you wonder why they are considered a gold medal favourite.


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I heard the ice size was going to be half way between the international and the NHL but I am probably wrong.

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Of the Top 30 scorers in the NHL, 20 are Canadian. This team should have no trouble scoring.

Of the Top 30 scorers in the NHL, 1 is American. Makes you wonder why they are considered a gold medal favourite.

Who was saying that?

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02-26-2013, 01:13 AM
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Yes, some people do: I recall him playing like he couldn't care less for his entire career in Columbus, I recall him playing like crap on the same line as the best player in the world, and I see him as currently irrelevant on another underperforming team. Some people like to forget all that though.
It is funny because having watched international hockey the last decade, everytime Nash has worn team Canada's jersey, he has played very good hockey, whether that was the World Championships when he was a dominant force back in 2007 and 2008, or in 2010 when he was the best player on the ice in my opinion against Team Russia in the QF. Playing in Columbus took a toll on Nash's stats, since he never had players around him, and frankly he got sick and tired of carrying the load. I know he is injured now, but he is on my team for Sochi barring a terrible first couple of months next year.

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Stamkos - Crosby - St. Louis - Letang - Weber

Tavares - Giroux - Neal / Eberle - Keith - Doughty


Tavares - Crosby - Giroux - Toews - Letang

Nash - Stamkos - St.Louis - Keith - Pientrangelo


But I think that E. Staal and Perry could be a good fit too. A power play unit with Getzlaf and Perry could be destructive, if they're hot at the time.
Solid lines and i have a similar thought process. I like a couple of others now am leaning towards Neal being on the team. I said no before the start of the year, but his solid play warrants him a nod even as a 13th forward PP specialist alongside Crosby.

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Of the Top 30 scorers in the NHL, 1 is American. Makes you wonder why they are considered a gold medal favourite.
Should have great goaltending, and a defence group that should excel on international ice. Extreme lack of creativity at forward outside of Kane, which will be an even bigger problem on international ice, but in a one game elimination tournament they have the pieces to beat any team.

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I heard the ice size was going to be half way between the international and the NHL but I am probably wrong.

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Of the Top 30 scorers in the NHL, 20 are Canadian. This team should have no trouble scoring.

Of the Top 30 scorers in the NHL, 1 is American. Makes you wonder why they are considered a gold medal favourite.
Why are you trolling a Team Canada thread with your usual anti-USA Hockey nonsense?

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I heard the ice size was going to be half way between the international and the NHL but I am probably wrong.

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Of the Top 30 scorers in the NHL, 20 are Canadian. This team should have no trouble scoring.

Of the Top 30 scorers in the NHL, 1 is American. Makes you wonder why they are considered a gold medal favourite.
The Olympics will be played on international ice, not a "hybrid". Same as SLC in '02 and Torino in '06.

Secondly, that's not a particularly fair (or even relevant) statement. The U.S. was in a similar situation in 2010 (with only Parise and Kane being offensive standouts), but still managed to whip our butts in the round robin and take us to OT in the gold medal game.

While I would have concerns (if I were American) about their ability to leverage their size to their advantage on the international ice surface and their lack of elite playmaking skill at center (though they have some guys coming up like Galchenyuk that may mitigate this), they typically play at a level greater than the sum of their parts and should have superb goaltending, so you should dismiss them as contenders only at your own peril.

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I heard the ice size was going to be half way between the international and the NHL but I am probably wrong.

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Of the Top 30 scorers in the NHL, 20 are Canadian. This team should have no trouble scoring.

Of the Top 30 scorers in the NHL, 1 is American. Makes you wonder why they are considered a gold medal favourite.
Because the American back-up goaltender looks to be Craig Anderson, who is perhaps better than most teams starters, including ours. (I put him ahead of Miller now. Not sure if that fetches too much of a debate outside of some diehards in Buffalo) They have a fantastic d-corp and 4 strong lines...a real serious team that's leaving Sochi with a medal and maybe, just maybe a gold medal. In a one game run and gun winner takes all, the US is every bit the part of gold medal contender.

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The Olympics will be played on international ice, not a "hybrid". Same as SLC in '02 and Torino in '06.

Secondly, that's not a particularly fair (or even relevant) statement. The U.S. was in a similar situation in 2010 (with only Parise and Kane being offensive standouts), but still managed to whip our butts in the round robin and take us to OT in the gold medal game.

While I would have concerns (if I were American) about their ability to leverage their size to their advantage on the international ice surface and their lack of elite playmaking skill at center (though they have some guys coming up like Galchenyuk that may mitigate this), they typically play at a level greater than the sum of their parts and should have superb goaltending, so you should dismiss them as contenders only at your own peril.

Any buzz for Corey Crawford getting consideration or is he more of a product of playing behind that team? His numbers are right up there.

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Any buzz for Corey Crawford getting consideration or is he more of a product of playing behind that team? His numbers are right up there.
There's buzz around Anderson, as you've already alluded to, but not necessarily Crawford as far as I can tell. Quick, Miller, Anderson, Howard, Crawford - yeah, they're in good shape in the goaltending department.

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Because the American back-up goaltender looks to be Craig Anderson, who is perhaps better than most teams starters, including ours. (I put him ahead of Miller now. Not sure if that fetches too much of a debate outside of some diehards in Buffalo) They have a fantastic d-corp and 4 strong lines...a real serious team that's leaving Sochi with a medal and maybe, just maybe a gold medal. In a one game run and gun winner takes all, the US is every bit the part of gold medal contender.
I disagree that USA has 4 strong lines, or a fantastic group of defencemen. Very good defencemen, and a lot of very good skaters, but not a long list of Norris contenders. The complete lack of elite players at the most important forward position is an issue too. When it all comes down to it though, the talent is there to beat any other team in a one (or even seven) game scenario.

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I disagree that USA has 4 strong lines, or a fantastic group of defencemen. Very good defencemen, and a lot of very good skaters, but not a long list of Norris contenders. The complete lack of elite players at the most important forward position is an issue too. When it all comes down to it though, the talent is there to beat any other team in a one (or even seven) game scenario.
Do we have a long list of Norris contenders? Weber! Not sure if he's having a norris like year. Keith seems to be playing the best right now out of all our TOP 7. Is AP in the running this year? I don't think so. Is Doughty in the running this year? Not that it means anything in the long run, but based on my rankings I have Canada ranked only slightly higher than the US, by only the slightest of margins. But that's only because of Crosby Stamkos and Giroux (arguably 3 of the Top 5 players in the league on any given night) That's the difference.

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There's buzz around Anderson, as you've already alluded to, but not necessarily Crawford as far as I can tell. Quick, Miller, Anderson, Howard, Crawford - yeah, they're in good shape in the goaltending department.
Corey Crawford is ours. from Montreal. I just thought at this moment, I have him ahead of MAF.

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Corey Crawford is ours. from Montreal. I just thought at this moment, I have him ahead of MAF.
My mistake, was thinking of the other Corey (Schneider). Let's see what Crawford does in the playoffs. He's certainly played great hockey this year, but Ray Emery is undefeated for the Hawks as well, which should tell you something. I personally still have MAF as our #3.

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My mistake, was thinking of the other Corey (Schneider). Let's see what Crawford does in the playoffs. He's certainly played great hockey this year, but Ray Emery is undefeated for the Hawks as well, which should tell you something. I personally still have MAF as our #3.
i wanted to see a lot more from MAF this year after last year's PO meltdown. So far I haven't seen it, but as you said in an earlier post from a few days ago, 99.99% the number 3 goalie sees no live pucks at all in the tournament...just a cheerleader.

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i wanted to see a lot more from MAF this year after last year's PO meltdown. So far I haven't seen it, but as you said in an earlier post from a few days ago, 99.99% the number 3 goalie sees no live pucks at all in the tournament...just a cheerleader.
The playoffs will certainly be critical, in terms of how the goaltending takes shape.

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The playoffs will certainly be critical, in terms of how the goaltending takes shape.
True, anything less than stellar play and a conf. final appearance will hurt his chances. Some would say final, but I think Boston is fully capable of taking Pitt. out in the conf. final. (I'm sure that pains you to hear that. LOL)

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