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02-25-2013, 11:07 PM
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The new Malkin I see scouts comparing him to. Wouldn't mind him here, but would have to wait for him to come over.
Im just surprised I haven't heard a peep about him. And 2 months ago Mackinnon being as low as 3rd on the ISS was unthinkable

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Actually with all the games in hand all of the other teams have over us, we may just end up with a top 5 pick. Sorry to say it but its true.
See my post a few pages back. They are pretty far out of the top 5. Provided that I have the time, I can rerun the numbers the day after every game. I think anywhere from 8th to 14th is reasonable for this team. Doubt they'll slide much lower than that unless something changes drastically.

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See my post a few pages back. They are pretty far out of the top 5. Provided that I have the time, I can rerun the numbers the day after every game. I think anywhere from 8th to 14th is reasonable for this team. Doubt they'll slide much lower than that unless something changes drastically.
I did see your post. Its very good and I agree with it. I dont think were getting a top 2 or 3 pick in the draft but 5 is easily attainable with how bad things are going and team's having 3-4 games in hand and only a few points behind us. It looks ok that were in 9th but we could easily be in 13-14th in 3 weeks if something doesnt change. Our March scheduel is no picnic. But run the numbers after each game it will be interesting to see.

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I did see your post. Its very good and I agree with it. I dont think were getting a top 2 or 3 pick in the draft but 5 is easily attainable with how bad things are going and team's having 3-4 games in hand and only a few points behind us. It looks ok that were in 9th but we could easily be in 13-14th in 3 weeks if something doesnt change. Our March scheduel is no picnic. But run the numbers after each game it will be interesting to see.
I agree, it will be interesting to see. After tonight, they are currently projecting for 6th overall. 5th (The Brooklynders) are less than half a point away. So to correct myself, their range is probably 5th to 14th, or thereabouts. Of course a couple more losses and ya never know... With more games played than anybody else this season, every loss we take hurts our chances of making the playoffs more and more.





EDIT: I added a column for win differential that shows you how many wins away from the Flyers that other teams are pacing... As you can see, the Islanders are less than 1/4 of a win behind us, but there is a wide separation between them and the bottom 4. Additionally, Winnipeg and Colorado are only pacing for 1 win more than us. Tight bunch between those four teams could easily cause the Flyers to swing from 5th to 8th any given day.

EDIT 2: If the paces hold true, for the Flyers to break into the top 3 to have a shot at Jones, MacKinnon or Drouin, they'd have to finish out the season no better than 8-17-2. I don't think that's happening.


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I mocked up a draft listing based on current projected finish based on win%. obviously it's all hypothetical, and it will change, but at this point it actually might not change THAT much... of course, teams like Chicago, Anaheim and Montreal probably won't sustain their current success, but i think it'd be fun to see who people think each team might draft...

1. Columbus (30 P) - NATHAN MACKINNON C
2. Buffalo (33 P) - SETH JONES D
3. Florida (35 P) - JOHNATHAN DROUIN W
4. Washington (37 P) - ALEKSANDER BARKOV C
5. NYI (43 P) - VALERY NICHUSHKIN W
6. Philadelphia (43 P) - RYAN PULOCK D
7. Colorado (45 P) - RASMUS RISTOLAINEN D
8. Winnipeg (45 P) - HUNTER SHINKARUK W
9. Edmonton (48 P) - DARNELL NURSE D
10. Calgary (48 P) - ELIAS LINDHOLM C
11. Minnesota (51 P) - SEAN MONAHAN C
12. Columbus <----- NYR (51 P) - ANTHONY MANTHA W
13. Dallas (51 P) - JOSH MORRISSEY D
14. Phoenix (51 P) - MAX DOMI C
15. Tampa Bay (51 P) - ADAM ERNE W
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16. Detroit (51 P) - MADISON BOWEY D
17. Columbus <----- Los Angeles (53 P) - SHEA THEODORE D
18. San Jose (54 P) - ANDRE BURAKOVSKY W
19. Carolina (54 P) - RYAN HARTMAN W
20. Nashville (55 P) - MIRCO MUELLER D
21. Toronto (58 P) - ZACHARY FUCALE G
22. St. Louis (59 P) - FREDERIK GAUTHIER C
23. New Jersey (61 P) - VALENTIN ZYKOV W
24. Ottawa (62 P) - KERBY RYCHEL C/W
25. Vancouver (64 P) - BO HORVAT C
26. Pittsburgh (66 P) - ROBERT HAAG D
27. Montreal (68 P) - WILLIAM CARRIER W
28. Boston (77 P) - CURTIS LAZAR C/W
29. Anaheim (81 P) - JASON DICKINSON C
30. Chicago (88 P) - ALEXANDER WENNBERG C


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Based on ppg . we are around 5th.

That is pretty bad.

I think we wont be able to get the goodies of a drouin, jones or mackinnon.

But i do think we will be able to get a zadorov, nurse or pulock.

If that is the case Pulock represents a skillset this team desperate needs. Sadly we need that skillset now and not in 3 years , when he will be ready.

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[QUOTE=orange is better;60492303]I mocked up a draft listing based on current projected finish based on win%. obviously it's all hypothetical, and it will change, but at this point it actually might not change THAT much... of course, teams like Chicago, Anaheim and Montreal probably won't sustain their current success, but i think it'd be fun to see who people think each team might draft...

1. Columbus (30 P) - NATHAN MACKINNON C
2. Buffalo (33 P) - SETH JONES D
3. Florida (35 P) - JOHNATHAN DROUIN W
4. Washington (37 P) - ALEKSANDER BARKOV C
5. NYI (43 P) - VALERY NICHUSHKIN W
6. Philadelphia (43 P) - RYAN PULOCK D
7. Colorado (45 P) - RASMUS RISTOLAINEN D
8. Winnipeg (45 P) - HUNTER SHINKARUK W
9. Edmonton (48 P) - DARNELL NURSE D
10. Calgary (48 P) - ELIAS LINDHOLM C
11. Minnesota (51 P) - SEAN MONAHAN C
12. Columbus <----- NYR (51 P) - ANTHONY MANTHA W
13. Dallas (51 P) - JOSH MORRISSEY D
14. Phoenix (51 P) - MAX DOMI C
15. Tampa Bay (51 P) - ADAM ERNE W
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16. Detroit (51 P) - MADISON BOWEY D
17. Columbus <----- Los Angeles (53 P) - SHEA THEODORE D
18. San Jose (54 P) - ANDRE BURAKOVSKY W
19. Carolina (54 P) - RYAN HARTMAN W
20. Nashville (55 P) - MIRCO MUELLER D
21. Toronto (58 P) - ZACHARY FUCALE G
22. St. Louis (59 P) - FREDERIK GAUTHIER C
23. New Jersey (61 P) - VALENTIN ZYKOV W
24. Ottawa (62 P) - KERBY RYCHEL C/W
25. Vancouver (64 P) - BO HORVAT C
26. Pittsburgh (66 P) - ROBERT HAAG D
27. Montreal (68 P) - WILLIAM CARRIER W
28. Boston (77 P) - CURTIS LAZAR C/W
29. Anaheim (81 P) - JASON DICKINSON C
30. Chicago (88 P) - ALEXANDER WENNBERG C[/Q

Everything I've seen has Nikita Zadorov as a top 10 pick. Was that an oversight or do you really feel he's not a top 30 guy?

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I mocked up a draft listing based on current projected finish based on win%. obviously it's all hypothetical, and it will change, but at this point it actually might not change THAT much... of course, teams like Chicago, Anaheim and Montreal probably won't sustain their current success, but i think it'd be fun to see who people think each team might draft...

1. Columbus (30 P) - NATHAN MACKINNON C
2. Buffalo (33 P) - SETH JONES D
3. Florida (35 P) - JOHNATHAN DROUIN W
4. Washington (37 P) - ALEKSANDER BARKOV C
5. NYI (43 P) - VALERY NICHUSHKIN W
6. Philadelphia (43 P) - RYAN PULOCK D
7. Colorado (45 P) - RASMUS RISTOLAINEN D
8. Winnipeg (45 P) - HUNTER SHINKARUK W
9. Edmonton (48 P) - DARNELL NURSE D
10. Calgary (48 P) - ELIAS LINDHOLM C
11. Minnesota (51 P) - SEAN MONAHAN C
12. Columbus <----- NYR (51 P) - ANTHONY MANTHA W
13. Dallas (51 P) - JOSH MORRISSEY D
14. Phoenix (51 P) - MAX DOMI C
15. Tampa Bay (51 P) - ADAM ERNE W
-----------------------------------
16. Detroit (51 P) - MADISON BOWEY D
17. Columbus <----- Los Angeles (53 P) - SHEA THEODORE D
18. San Jose (54 P) - ANDRE BURAKOVSKY W
19. Carolina (54 P) - RYAN HARTMAN W
20. Nashville (55 P) - MIRCO MUELLER D
21. Toronto (58 P) - ZACHARY FUCALE G
22. St. Louis (59 P) - FREDERIK GAUTHIER C
23. New Jersey (61 P) - VALENTIN ZYKOV W
24. Ottawa (62 P) - KERBY RYCHEL C/W
25. Vancouver (64 P) - BO HORVAT C
26. Pittsburgh (66 P) - ROBERT HAAG D
27. Montreal (68 P) - WILLIAM CARRIER W
28. Boston (77 P) - CURTIS LAZAR C/W
29. Anaheim (81 P) - JASON DICKINSON C
30. Chicago (88 P) - ALEXANDER WENNBERG C[/Q

Everything I've seen has Nikita Zadorov as a top 10 pick. Was that an oversight or do you really feel he's not a top 30 guy?
I would take a guess that's an oversight on his part.

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Eh if Zadorov continues to improve id be fine with taking him. I am not in love with him like others (i dont think he has high offensive ability), but anyone one of Rist, Nurse, Pulock and Zadorov id take after Jones.

Claiming he was top 10 a few months ago was not true. Now that he is actually proving it i would be more comfortable.

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I mocked up a draft listing based on current projected finish based on win%. obviously it's all hypothetical, and it will change, but at this point it actually might not change THAT much... of course, teams like Chicago, Anaheim and Montreal probably won't sustain their current success, but i think it'd be fun to see who people think each team might draft...

1. Columbus (30 P) - NATHAN MACKINNON C
2. Buffalo (33 P) - SETH JONES D
3. Florida (35 P) - JOHNATHAN DROUIN W
4. Washington (37 P) - ALEKSANDER BARKOV C
5. NYI (43 P) - VALERY NICHUSHKIN W
6. Philadelphia (43 P) - RYAN PULOCK D
7. Colorado (45 P) - RASMUS RISTOLAINEN D
8. Winnipeg (45 P) - HUNTER SHINKARUK W
9. Edmonton (48 P) - DARNELL NURSE D
10. Calgary (48 P) - ELIAS LINDHOLM C
11. Minnesota (51 P) - SEAN MONAHAN C
12. Columbus <----- NYR (51 P) - ANTHONY MANTHA W
13. Dallas (51 P) - JOSH MORRISSEY D
14. Phoenix (51 P) - MAX DOMI C
15. Tampa Bay (51 P) - ADAM ERNE W
-----------------------------------
16. Detroit (51 P) - MADISON BOWEY D
17. Columbus <----- Los Angeles (53 P) - SHEA THEODORE D
18. San Jose (54 P) - ANDRE BURAKOVSKY W
19. Carolina (54 P) - RYAN HARTMAN W
20. Nashville (55 P) - MIRCO MUELLER D
21. Toronto (58 P) - ZACHARY FUCALE G
22. St. Louis (59 P) - FREDERIK GAUTHIER C
23. New Jersey (61 P) - VALENTIN ZYKOV W
24. Ottawa (62 P) - KERBY RYCHEL C/W
25. Vancouver (64 P) - BO HORVAT C
26. Pittsburgh (66 P) - ROBERT HAAG D
27. Montreal (68 P) - WILLIAM CARRIER W
28. Boston (77 P) - CURTIS LAZAR C/W
29. Anaheim (81 P) - JASON DICKINSON C
30. Chicago (88 P) - ALEXANDER WENNBERG C[/Q

Everything I've seen has Nikita Zadorov as a top 10 pick. Was that an oversight or do you really feel he's not a top 30 guy?
Complete oversight haha. Just forgot about him. He's definitely a top 10 guy IMO, but I could also see him going as late as 15 perhaps. I'd still take Pulock or Nurse before him.

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Pittsburgh intentionally bombed twice to get Crosby and Lemieux.... Why can't we for Jones!

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Tied with the Islanders. Yeesh.

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I mocked up a draft listing based on current projected finish based on win%. obviously it's all hypothetical, and it will change, but at this point it actually might not change THAT much... of course, teams like Chicago, Anaheim and Montreal probably won't sustain their current success, but i think it'd be fun to see who people think each team might draft...

1. Columbus (30 P) - NATHAN MACKINNON C
2. Buffalo (33 P) - SETH JONES D
3. Florida (35 P) - JOHNATHAN DROUIN W
4. Washington (37 P) - ALEKSANDER BARKOV C
5. NYI (43 P) - VALERY NICHUSHKIN W
6. Philadelphia (43 P) - RYAN PULOCK D
7. Colorado (45 P) - RASMUS RISTOLAINEN D
8. Winnipeg (45 P) - HUNTER SHINKARUK W
9. Edmonton (48 P) - DARNELL NURSE D
10. Calgary (48 P) - ELIAS LINDHOLM C
11. Minnesota (51 P) - SEAN MONAHAN C
12. Columbus <----- NYR (51 P) - ANTHONY MANTHA W
13. Dallas (51 P) - JOSH MORRISSEY D
14. Phoenix (51 P) - MAX DOMI C
15. Tampa Bay (51 P) - ADAM ERNE W
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16. Detroit (51 P) - MADISON BOWEY D
17. Columbus <----- Los Angeles (53 P) - SHEA THEODORE D
18. San Jose (54 P) - ANDRE BURAKOVSKY W
19. Carolina (54 P) - RYAN HARTMAN W
20. Nashville (55 P) - MIRCO MUELLER D
21. Toronto (58 P) - ZACHARY FUCALE G
22. St. Louis (59 P) - FREDERIK GAUTHIER C
23. New Jersey (61 P) - VALENTIN ZYKOV W
24. Ottawa (62 P) - KERBY RYCHEL C/W
25. Vancouver (64 P) - BO HORVAT C
26. Pittsburgh (66 P) - ROBERT HAAG D
27. Montreal (68 P) - WILLIAM CARRIER W
28. Boston (77 P) - CURTIS LAZAR C/W
29. Anaheim (81 P) - JASON DICKINSON C
30. Chicago (88 P) - ALEXANDER WENNBERG C
That's not a too shabby mock to be honest. Hopefully the Flyers can end up with an extra pick or two in the first (depending on who they move) and restock the pipeline with some additional defensemen and maybe a winger. Would have no problem if the could add a Robert Haag or a William Carrier\Valentin Zykov type player to the system.

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I'm sure the hockey gods would still find a way to screw the Flyers out of the first overall choice if they bombed. Look no further than 06 - 07. They should have had the first overall that year. Although, if the Flyers did end up with the 2nd overall this year, it certainly wouldn't be a bad consolation prize if it ended up being Drouin, Mackinnon or Barkov.

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That's not a too shabby mock to be honest. Hopefully the Flyers can end up with an extra pick or two in the first (depending on who they move) and restock the pipeline with some additional defensemen and maybe a winger. Would have no problem if the could add a Robert Haag or a William Carrier\Valentin Zykov type player to the system.
If we can grab a defenseman with our highest pick and then maybe also come away with a guy like Mantha, Burakovsky, Zyrkov, Hartman or Carrier, I would be ecstatic.

Edit: the more I think about it, the more I want Darnell Nurse. He's big, can move the puck, he's physical, he's one hell of a skater for his size, and he has a monster of a slap shot.

If he's still on the board when we pick, I want Darnell Nurse. (Obviously assuming were not in a position to pick jones)


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If we can grab a defenseman with our highest pick and then maybe also come away with a guy like Mantha, Burakovsky, Zyrkov, Hartman or Carrier, I would be ecstatic.

Edit: the more I think about it, the more I want Darnell Nurse. He's big, can move the puck, he's physical, he's one hell of a skater for his size, and he has a monster of a slap shot.

If he's still on the board when we pick, I want Darnell Nurse. (Obviously assuming were not in a position to pick jones)
What worries me is that Holmgren is apparently on a shopping spree and that a deal involving the Flyers first is in talks. I've heard the obvious (Winnipeg), but I've also heard that he's talking with Phoenix, Buffalo and Washington as well. From what I've heard (and once again, all hearsay from a couple of scout friends), Phoenix is about Rundblad AND Gormley, Buffalo is Meyers and Washington is Carlson.

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What worries me is that Holmgren is apparently on a shopping spree and that a deal involving the Flyers first is in talks. I've heard the obvious (Winnipeg), but I've also heard that he's talking with Phoenix, Buffalo and Washington as well. From what I've heard (and once again, all hearsay from a couple of scout friends), Phoenix is about Rundblad AND Gormley, Buffalo is Meyers and Washington is Carlson.
Wouldn't mind any of those deals. Obviously id like to draft a guy in this draft, considering I believe it will be one of the best drafts in recent history...

I really like Gormley. I think he can be a really well rounded top pairing quality defenseman in this league. I think Runblad has top their offensive capabilities but his overall game is lesser than that of gormleys. Myers has #1 defenseman talent, and I think people are writing him off too soon. Hes still really young, and I don't think buffalo trades him. Carlson is another guy similar to Runblad IMO. His defense isn't bad, but it's not what I desire in a potential #1. He's good, but I don't see him as being "the guy" type of player if you will. More of a #2/#3 guy.

Maybe homer really has no faith in the teams ability to groom a defenseman, but I really think it'd be wise to draft a guy like nurse, pulock, ristolainen etc, rather than trade for a defenseman who still isn't even what we need at this point in their development. We might as well go for grooming our own.

What I wouldn't mind doing though, is trading something like Laughton and a 2nd for Runblad and keep our first and draft either another defenseman or a winger like mantha.

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What worries me is that Holmgren is apparently on a shopping spree and that a deal involving the Flyers first is in talks. I've heard the obvious (Winnipeg), but I've also heard that he's talking with Phoenix, Buffalo and Washington as well. From what I've heard (and once again, all hearsay from a couple of scout friends), Phoenix is about Rundblad AND Gormley, Buffalo is Meyers and Washington is Carlson.
I would be down for any of those trade situations for a 1st as long as the plus in not one of the core (Simmonds, Voracek, Giroux, Hartnell, Couturier, Schenns) and the 1st wasn't a top 5 pick. Any defensemen the Flyers would draft would take years to make a huge impact. The fastest guys I have seen have been Karlson and Doughty and they each took 4 years. Carlson and Meyers already have had success and have had some growing pains. I think they are both on the back end of their learning curves and will only go up, especially if paired with a good defensive partner. Having Luke Schenn and Carlson or Meyers would fill the Flyers need for top 4 right handed defensemen, which are harder to come by, for a decade. As far as the Phoenix situation, there is a little more risk their as both have not reached the NHL level yet, but getting two talented defensemen close to making the league is better than drafting one that is years away. IMO the Flyers forward group will be cup ready in two years if B.Schenn and Couturier follow a normal development curve. Getting experience defensemen for than wouldn't be a waste of 1st.

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A goalie or a D man would be the right draft pick.
We have a good goalie doing very well in the OHL right now.

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We have a good goalie doing very well in the OHL right now.
You're talking about Anthony Stolarz playing for the London Knights, he is good I have been to the games and witnessed Stolarz playing. Hopefuly he pans out for the Flyers but you can never have enough goalies as only 1 in a 1000 actually crack the big leagues.

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I honestly think Homer is just keeping all windows open if he is talking about trading our first. If we turn it around and start making a push, he could use it as bait to get a young high potential defender. If we don't turn it around, maybe he uses a first rounder we get from a team for Briere?? So many possibilities out there right now that I don't want to even speculate about it lol.

If we keep falling in the standings, this team most likely won't be selling their first rounder.

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What worries me is that Holmgren is apparently on a shopping spree and that a deal involving the Flyers first is in talks. I've heard the obvious (Winnipeg), but I've also heard that he's talking with Phoenix, Buffalo and Washington as well. From what I've heard (and once again, all hearsay from a couple of scout friends), Phoenix is about Rundblad AND Gormley, Buffalo is Meyers and Washington is Carlson.
Have you heard any rumblings about what (besides the first) would be in any of these trades?

You gotta figure that Rundblad AND Gormley would cost us the 1st + Couturier + Meszaros and possibly more.

Myers and Carlson would also have to involve Couturier I would think.

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