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02-25-2013, 11:28 PM
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Ryan Smyth TOI 21:13 today
Nail Yakupov TOI 09:05 today
Ryan Smyth 2 G 4 A 6 points this year
Nail Yakupov 6 G 5 A 11 points this year
Ryan Smyth 17 give aways
Nail Yakupov 11 give aways

But i'm just a fan what do i know.

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02-25-2013, 11:33 PM
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Ryan Smyth TOI 21:13 today
Nail Yakupov TOI 09:05 today
Ryan Smyth 2 G 4 A 6 points this year
Nail Yakupov 6 G 5 A 11 points this year
Ryan Smyth 17 give aways
Nail Yakupov 11 give aways

But i'm just a fan what do i know.
How to post an opinion on a hockey forum?

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02-25-2013, 11:38 PM
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RNH and Eberle playing like garbage yet they keep getting big minutes. And I thought it was a well established fact from last season that Smyth absolutely cannot play in the top 6? No wonder we only managed a measly 19 sog tonight.

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02-25-2013, 11:41 PM
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Honestly though the stats i posted are compelling, no?
I'm trying to like Krueger i really am but he's not giving me alot of reasons.

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02-25-2013, 11:42 PM
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Putting Yakupov on a line with two players who aren't playing well is going to fix everything, right?

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Someone was going to make this thread eventually. Young player goes out and sparks the team's comeback? Bench him and let Ryan Smyth lead the entire team in ice time.:ra nt:
And so it begins This coach didnt last as long as the last 3 we hated.

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02-25-2013, 11:55 PM
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Putting Yakupov on a line with two players who aren't playing well is going to fix everything, right?
Maybe, putting Smyth up there certainly didn't fix much now did it?

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02-25-2013, 11:59 PM
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Maybe, putting Smyth up there certainly didn't fix much now did it?
RNH and Eberle would've played poorly regardless of Smyth.

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Honestly though the stats i posted are compelling, no?
I'm trying to like Krueger i really am but he's not giving me alot of reasons.
11 giveaways while getting half the ice time is not really a positive for Yak..
Also, Smyth is a lot smarter defensively while Yak is already -8 on the season despite getting minimal icetime. He blew a tire a couple of times tonight and had a couple more giveaways... I dont think putting Yak on a line with Eberle (all of a sudden has become a defensive liability) would be smart unless we are down a couple goals.

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I have no idea how you guys are defending these actions by coach K but ok i'll give it a try.

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RNH and Eberle would've played poorly regardless of Smyth.
Your right Smyth isn't holding them back, but he's certainly not helping. Maybe yakupov could create positive energy and perhaps even get them going a bit.

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11 giveaways while getting half the ice time is not really a positive for Yak..
Also, Smyth is a lot smarter defensively while Yak is already -8 on the season despite getting minimal icetime. He blew a tire a couple of times tonight and had a couple more giveaways... I dont think putting Yak on a line with Eberle (all of a sudden has become a defensive liability) would be smart unless we are down a couple goals.
The ice times i posted are for todays game while the give aways are for all year if you look at the TOI/G yak is at about 14 mins and smyth is at about 15 and a half mins because at the start of the year smyth was on the third line and yak was on the second line .

I don't want yak playing 20+ mins but he should be over 15 mins for sure meanwhile imo smyth should be 15 mins or less the past two games he's been well over 20 mins.

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02-26-2013, 12:16 AM
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Ryan Smyth TOI 21:13 today
Nail Yakupov TOI 09:05 today
Ryan Smyth 2 G 4 A 6 points this year
Nail Yakupov 6 G 5 A 11 points this year
Ryan Smyth 17 give aways
Nail Yakupov 11 give aways

But i'm just a fan what do i know.
Yakupov made a pass in his own end tonight that was so embarrassingly bad it should bend stats as well as light...

j/k aside most coaches see something like that and figure the kid needs a rest and a look see. Yak gets too excitable sometimes and loses sight of the degree of competition in this game. That making a pass like that in a sharkpond is inadvisable. Luckily it didn't result in a GA.

He's a kid, he'll learn, but his mistakes probably need to be made clear to him.

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02-26-2013, 12:20 AM
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Yakupov made a pass in his own end tonight that was so embarrassingly bad it should bend stats as well as light...

j/k aside most coaches see something like that and figure the kid needs a rest and a look see. Yak gets too excitable sometimes and loses sight of the degree of competition in this game. That making a pass like that in a sharkpond is inadvisable. Luckily it didn't result in a GA.

He's a kid, he'll learn, but his mistakes probably need to be made clear to him.
Yup. I agree with this.

Krueger needs to give him a chance to make those mistakes to learn from though.

Giving him two shifts in the 3rd period isn't doing any good.

Put him out there. Let him make a mistake. The team will be better from it in the long run.

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02-26-2013, 12:22 AM
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Yup. I agree with this.

Krueger needs to give him a chance to make those mistakes to learn from though.

Giving him two shifts in the 3rd period isn't doing any good.

Put him out there. Let him make a mistake. The team will be better from it in the long run.
But people don't want to lose. It's kind of a tightrope you're giving the kid here. Everyone is blowing Petry apart in the PGT but if Yakupov made that play he'd probably be given a pass.

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But people don't want to lose. It's kind of a tightrope you're giving the kid here. Everyone is blowing Petry apart in the PGT but if Yakupov made that play he'd probably be given a pass.
It's true, but that probably has to do with Petry having more experience and having higher expectations defensively.

I just think this team hasn't been built to win and they don't really know how to win, so why not develop one of your potentially key players so that he'll be ready when the team hopefully gets to that point?

I also don't think he's that far of(if even) a drop-off defensively from his teammates. They spent half the 3rd period on their own side of the redline without him.

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02-26-2013, 12:34 AM
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But people don't want to lose. It's kind of a tightrope you're giving the kid here. Everyone is blowing Petry apart in the PGT but if Yakupov made that play he'd probably be given a pass.
People don't want to lose but it's happening. Maybe try to win instead of playing not to lose? Oilers are dead last in the league in 5 on 5 goal for. Giving up goals isn't the problem. You've got to score to win.

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02-26-2013, 12:42 AM
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I have no idea how you guys are defending these actions by coach K but ok i'll give it a try.



Your right Smyth isn't holding them back, but he's certainly not helping. Maybe yakupov could create positive energy and perhaps even get them going a bit.



The ice times i posted are for todays game while the give aways are for all year if you look at the TOI/G yak is at about 14 mins and smyth is at about 15 and a half mins because at the start of the year smyth was on the third line and yak was on the second line .

I don't want yak playing 20+ mins but he should be over 15 mins for sure meanwhile imo smyth should be 15 mins or less the past two games he's been well over 20 mins.
The same Yakupov that gave the puck away 3 times in the span of about 30 seconds. And we should put him up against the Hawks best line. They put Yak out for the PP, which he excels at...responsible 2 way forward shift not so much, not yet anyways. Sheltering his minutes is a very good idea at this point. Krueger can lead them to water...

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02-26-2013, 12:43 AM
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People don't want to lose but it's happening. Maybe try to win instead of playing not to lose? Oilers are dead last in the league in 5 on 5 goal for. Giving up goals isn't the problem. You've got to score to win.
Of course but it's not as if Yakupov is scoring a bunch of 5 on 5 goals himself.

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02-26-2013, 01:31 AM
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My god the top line looks like junk without Taylor Hall, I know it's only 2 games but still, RNH and Eberle need Hall.

Now, to get more on topic: what is people's problem with Krueger? Give the guy a damn chance, 18 games into his first season isn't the time to can the coach.

Besides, having gone through so many coaches in the past 4ish years, isn't it inevitable that the finger will have to point at the GM? There's only so much a coach can do when all the talented players are young and still learning, and the veterans are mediocre and generally under-performing.


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02-26-2013, 02:35 AM
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But people don't want to lose. It's kind of a tightrope you're giving the kid here. Everyone is blowing Petry apart in the PGT but if Yakupov made that play he'd probably be given a pass.
As he should be. Jeff Petry is 25yrs old.

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The same Yakupov that gave the puck away 3 times in the span of about 30 seconds. And we should put him up against the Hawks best line. They put Yak out for the PP, which he excels at...responsible 2 way forward shift not so much, not yet anyways. Sheltering his minutes is a very good idea at this point. Krueger can lead them to water...
You call playing him with Vande Velde (career ahl'er) and Petrell (fringe nhl'er) leading him to water?

Maybe if that water is the Dead Sea or the Bermuda Triangle..........

This is Toby Peterson/Liam Reddox on the first unit pp bad.

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The fact of the matter is that he's brutal in his own end, IATL. You put him with Eberle and RNH and they'll forever be in their own end.

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I think petry gets burned more often than any other oiler defender.

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The fact of the matter is that he's brutal in his own end, IATL. You put him with Eberle and RNH and they'll forever be in their own end.
Who isnt brutal in their own end on this team?

We arent winning anything except the annual booby prize. May as well focus on development. You dont hitch your Thoroughbred to a plow.

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Who isnt brutal in their own end on this team?

We arent winning anything except the annual booby prize. May as well focus on development. You dont hitch your Thoroughbred to a plow.
So we're already abandoning winning?

I like Yak but if he gets consistently burned in his own zone then isn't it time to change things up?

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Who isnt brutal in their own end on this team?

We arent winning anything except the annual booby prize. May as well focus on development. You dont hitch your Thoroughbred to a plow.
You clearly haven't seen Warhorse. Blows your thoroughbred to plow theory out of the water!

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