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02-25-2013, 07:15 PM
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Damn! I really want him as my 4th line LW.
Denneney wasn't picked before? Really? wow....

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Denneney wasn't picked before? Really? wow....
That was a joke from when LL thought that Denneny was available like 50 picks after he is usually taken.

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Denneney wasn't picked before? Really? wow....
Yes he was

I was actually just thinking about that, though. Has it/could it ever happen that a guy just got...forgotten by everyone until like 200-300 picks after he should go? I guess not...

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02-25-2013, 08:01 PM
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That was a joke from when LL thought that Denneny was available like 50 picks after he is usually taken.
Like 100.

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02-25-2013, 08:09 PM
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Think I could add a second Cy Denneny to my roster post and nobody would notice?

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Why we gotta be so mean to LL?

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DOH!!

Newbie taken in.....

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02-25-2013, 08:17 PM
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Why we gotta be so mean to LL?
Why's he gotta make it so easy?

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02-25-2013, 08:18 PM
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Why we gotta be so mean to LL?
because we're pirates

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The Pittsburgh Bankers Select W Harry "The Rat" Westwick

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02-25-2013, 10:31 PM
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I have Johnny's list. He picks

1. Eduard Ivanov - D
2. Trevor Linden - C/RW

PMing JFA

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02-25-2013, 10:58 PM
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I have Johnny's list. He picks

1. Eduard Ivanov - D
2. Trevor Linden - C/RW

PMing JFA
Was discussing his pick with him earlier, he said that he'd have his mind made up before he goes to work at 3 AM ET.

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02-25-2013, 11:20 PM
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Here are a few Vs2 "siblings" among ATD players at the same position that I have found. They may surprise some people.



Remarkably similar offensive production from these right wingers. Strange, given what we know about the intangibles of these guys, I would probably rate them:

Alfie/Hossa
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Fleury
Gilbert

...and yet they seem to go in pretty much the opposite order every year. Anybody care to tell me why that is?
I'll take a stab at it, if for no other reason than to play Devil's advocate:

Alfie, Hossa, Fleury, and a few other modern RWs blend into a bit of a homogenous paste. Gilbert had a time where he was THE highest scoring RW in the NHL. in the first 10 years after expansion, he had 50 more points than any other RW (Hodge wasn't close because of his own skills, either) and 230 more than the guy in 4th place. These recent modern guys are almost interchangeable.

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A re-post of some numbers I shared earlier, but with Phil Goyette and Don McKenney thrown in there for fun. In this case, I think Brindy could go ahead of Lemaire, and people may underestimate just how close McKenney and Goyette are to those two offensively.
Interesting when you consider that they were usually 2nd line players in the O6 era which negatively impacted their scores. Brindy and Lemaire would have also been 2nd liners in the O6 era but they have the percentage scores of 1st liners because of when they were born.

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This is a fairly interesting comparison, of which I'm sure TDMM approves. Propp obviously wins the intangibles debate by virtue of being a playoff mega-stud, but how big is the difference between these two beyond that?
Propp was superior defensively, and I don't think by a small margin, either.

I have him up 648-623 based on top-10 seasons, but Christ, that's a lot closer than I'd have thought.

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I looked at Crawford, but every contemporary article I saw about him that mentioned his position called him a LW.

I know his LOH says he could play C or LW, but that's the only place it seems to be mentioned.

Good pick otherwise, though.
Rover
Rover
RW
RW
LW
W
W
W
W
W

This is what I got in The Trail when I looked at each of his playoff games where he was not listed as a spare.

His bio calls him a LW and says he played with a known C and RW in Quebec.

I wouldn't call him a center based on this, personally. But Iain Fyffe's answer would be much more definitive than this.

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I think this is true, but would like someone to confirm...Is Graham both the first team captain and individual trophy winner of African descent in the NHL? I know it doesn't make him any better in the ATD, but that's a historically noteworthy accomplishment.
Graham is black?

Mind...... blown.

I honestly never saw him as black.

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Going with an innovator who will get the most out of our players:

Coach, Fred Shero




excellent pick.

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Well, after some back and forth, we've decided to go with a man who really needs a good profile, which we can hopefully put together.

I believe he is a top-5 coach - along with Bowman, Blake, Patrick, and Arbour. He's just a scary guy to select. Hoepfully, we can make him a little less scary...

Anatoli Tarasov, coach
Yep, he is top-5. Shero's 6th.

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I'm not sure I'm a fan of Staal this early. If he was a winger, he'd be a fine pick but he's a center, where there is much more depth. He basically has one great season and then a bunch of good, but nothing special seasons. Here are his Vs2:

94, 61, 77, 64, 77, 72

He's been great when his teams are in the playoffs, but that's only been two seasons for 43 games. He has good size, but isn't overly physical, and doesn't stand out as being great defensively. I never realized he went this early the past two drafts. Looks like he's slotted on the 3rd line with Owen Nolan, basically forming another scoring line with size it looks like because there isn't enough defense between them to call it a two-way 3rd line. He scores shorthanded goals, but you'd be nuts to use him on a penalty kill at this level. Over 1/3 of his goals come from the PP, and right now he's the 3rd line center. jkrx could place him at LW on the second PP unit in place of Tikkanen on that line so salvage some of that PP production.
I agree, not a fan of Staal this early at all.

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Depends on what he's looking for. Rusty Crawford has a better defensive reputation and more of a rep as a tough guy (though Harris definitely wasn't soft). Harris is probably better offensively.
I was gonna say Crawford was a playoff warrior compared to Harris as well. But It's 24-12 in top level playoff games, in Harris' favour.

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Viking Maniacs selects Paul Reinhart.
Wow, that's really early.

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Halifax selects Ron Ellis, RW.
Excellent pick.

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I was between Vadnais and Bergman to start my third pairing. I basically flipped a coin as I didn't have time to do an in depth comparison.
I'd take Bergman first in most situations, but Vadnais wasn't a bad pick either.

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02-25-2013, 11:21 PM
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I don't think you want him as more than a #6 at even strength, but he's a great penalty killer.
I don't get this reasoning. Penalty killing is more difficult than even strength for obvious reasons.

He was a top defensive defenseman at even strength too.

Hajt brings practically no offense but there are other guys counted on to be the stay at home part of a pairing that are the same way in the top 4 in this.. aren't there?

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02-25-2013, 11:37 PM
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I have Johnny's list. He picks

1. Eduard Ivanov - D
2. Trevor Linden - C/RW

PMing JFA
Damn, I liked Ivanov.

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02-25-2013, 11:41 PM
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Rover
Rover
RW
RW
LW
W
W
W
W
W

This is what I got in The Trail when I looked at each of his playoff games where he was not listed as a spare.

His bio calls him a LW and says he played with a known C and RW in Quebec.

I wouldn't call him a center based on this, personally. But Iain Fyffe's answer would be much more definitive than this.
From my research his only play at centre was in Western Canada. So his best years were at LW. But he did legitimately play centre. But really when a player is more proven at the more rare position, why would you use him at the more common position?

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From my research his only play at centre was in Western Canada. So his best years were at LW. But he did legitimately play centre. But really when a player is more proven at the more rare position, why would you use him at the more common position?
Especially when the more natural position is at wing... we're often hurting for quality wingers so we take switch hitters who are better suited to center,and try to make wingers out of them... as ill advised as that may sometimes be. I see no reason to try to do the opposite... we're not hurting for quality centers!


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02-26-2013, 03:08 AM
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Yep, he is top-5. Shero's 6th.
I'm pretty happy with what I've been able to put together so far.

From what I can gather, Tarasov is a coach who prefers to attack than defend. He was also a big-time innovator who achieved most of his success through trial and error.

In terms of the "problems" he would have with players, it doesn't look like we currently have any who Tarasov would clash with.

Bob Goldham might be the worst fit, because he's not a great skater, and Tarasov liked defensemen to join the rush. Having said that, Tarasov did develop a system with a position called a "stopper", which seemed tailor-made for a guy like Goldham.

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02-26-2013, 05:30 AM
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Wow, that's really early.
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Is there a difference between Reinhart and Reed Larson?

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Yep, he is top-5. Shero's 6th.
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I'm pretty happy with what I've been able to put together so far.

From what I can gather, Tarasov is a coach who prefers to attack than defend. He was also a big-time innovator who achieved most of his success through trial and error.

In terms of the "problems" he would have with players, it doesn't look like we currently have any who Tarasov would clash with.

Bob Goldham might be the worst fit, because he's not a great skater, and Tarasov liked defensemen to join the rush. Having said that, Tarasov did develop a system with a position called a "stopper", which seemed tailor-made for a guy like Goldham.
The main reason I took Shero besides loving his absent minded professor / hockey innovator genius schtick was that he explicitly gave his star players a little bit of latitude within his system.

He criticized the Russians for being too strict in that regard and keeping the reins too tight.

When you have guys like Jagr and Stewart I figured they would appreciate the flexibility as a way to help them buy in and play within a team concept at the same time.

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02-26-2013, 08:57 AM
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Philadelphia, continuing with our theme of building up the middle, selects the #1 penalty killing forward on two Stanley Cup champion teams(and the #2 and #3 on two others), a Conn Smythe Winner despite being 4th on his team in scoring, a testament to the intangibles he brings to the table, C Butch Goring



Goring would be a good 3rd line center in this draft, but he'll be an elite 4th line center.

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Anybody interested in this pick?

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