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02-26-2013, 12:32 PM
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Perry- An actual hockey trade

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/i...d-bad-ref-luck

Lots of speculation Perry might get dealt if he isn't extended by the deadline, even if the Ducks are in the hunt.

My proposal: a hockey trade that gives the Ducks a player than can play today + future help. No Hossa/Kovalchuk rental-type returns.


Something like Kunitz+Dupres. Or Kreider + 1st. Horton + 1st.


Thoughts?

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The Rangers don't have a 1st this year, is a 2014 1st ok?

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http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/i...d-bad-ref-luck

Lots of speculation Perry might get dealt if he isn't extended by the deadline, even if the Ducks are in the hunt.

My proposal: a hockey trade that gives the Ducks a player than can play today + future help. No Hossa/Kovalchuk rental-type returns.


Something like Kunitz+Dupres. Or Kreider + 1st. Horton + 1st.


Thoughts?
do you mean Dupuis or Despres?

i don't think the Pens would want to trade Kunitz (and i doubt the Ducks would want Kunitz and Despres for Perry).

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Exactly what kind of player are the ducks looking for? Defence, centre, wings? Not going to pretend I know what they need before making an offer

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http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/i...d-bad-ref-luck

Lots of speculation Perry might get dealt if he isn't extended by the deadline, even if the Ducks are in the hunt.

My proposal: a hockey trade that gives the Ducks a player than can play today + future help. No Hossa/Kovalchuk rental-type returns.


Something like Kunitz+Dupres. Or Kreider + 1st. Horton + 1st.


Thoughts?
Har har.

I can't see Kunitz being included in this deal if Perry isn't extended. If the Pens couldn't re-sign him in the off-season they'd be making their lack of quality wingers situation exponentially worse.

If Perry was extended and his cap hit made it feasible for the Pens to have him? Sure.

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Frattin + 1st.

Assuming Perry helps us get to the playoffs and has an actual interest in playing in Canada.

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do you mean Dupuis or Despres?

i don't think the Pens would want to trade Kunitz (and i doubt the Ducks would want Kunitz and Despres for Perry).
Are you mad? That would be an absolute steal.

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LOL @ AHLer + 1st.
Adam Larsson spends considerable time in the A every now and then. Ryan Callahan spent a game or 2 on the third line with this "AHLer". Does that diminish those 2 players' values?

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http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/i...d-bad-ref-luck

Lots of speculation Perry might get dealt if he isn't extended by the deadline, even if the Ducks are in the hunt.

My proposal: a hockey trade that gives the Ducks a player than can play today + future help. No Hossa/Kovalchuk rental-type returns.


Something like Kunitz+Dupres. Or Kreider + 1st. Horton + 1st.


Thoughts?
Why not? That's exactly what he would be isn't it?

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Are you mad? That would be an absolute steal.
not if Perry up and left the Pens right after the season. gutting their top 6 by trading Kunitz would not be worth less than half a season of Perry. i say this with full belief that Perry would be perhaps THE perfect winger the Pens could ever hope to land.

if they were able to sign him at something less than $7M per year, i would do the deal and not look back. however, the Ducks most likely wouldn't. plus, they've already had Kunitz, so they might not even want him back.

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Why not? That's exactly what he would be isn't it?
No- difference is unlike Atlanta, the Ducks are at the top of the West. Thats why I can't see them trading him for futures. I'd imagine they'd want help right now.

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Har har.

I can't see Kunitz being included in this deal if Perry isn't extended. If the Pens couldn't re-sign him in the off-season they'd be making their lack of quality wingers situation exponentially worse.

If Perry was extended and his cap hit made it feasible for the Pens to have him? Sure.
i think this kind of speculation works only if you assume no extension and no guarantee of one

as in the case of Edler, extension makes him much more valuable, clearly ...Perry would go for waaay more than any of these deals

I could see for the Canucks for unextended CP offering Schroeder, Ballard, 1st

then turn around and flip Schneider for Visnovsky, Reasoner, Nino or Strome, pick ...
could be nasty...

Sedins-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Perry
Raymond-Lapierre-Hansen
Higgins-Reasoner-Kassian

Edler-Visnovsky
Hamhuis-Bieksa
Garrison-Tanev

Luo

how bout this PP ...
Sedins-Perry
Edler-Vis
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i think this kind of speculation works only if you assume no extension and no guarantee of one

as in the case of Edler, extension makes him much more valuable, clearly ...Perry would go for waaay more than any of these deals

I could see for the Canucks for unextended CP offering Schroeder, Ballard, 1st

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Ballard is a pile of dog doo doo.. Schroeder is a B prospect. This deal is the worst of the bunch.

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i think this kind of speculation works only if you assume no extension and no guarantee of one

as in the case of Edler, extension makes him much more valuable, clearly ...Perry would go for waaay more than any of these deals

I could see for the Canucks for unextended CP offering Schroeder, Ballard, 1st

then turn around and flip Schneider for Visnovsky, Reasoner, Nino or Strome, pick ...
could be nasty...

Sedins-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Perry
Raymond-Lapierre-Hansen
Higgins-Reasoner-Kassian

Edler-Visnovsky
Hamhuis-Bieksa
Garrison-Tanev

Luo

how bout this PP ...
Sedins-Perry
Edler-Vis
?
Yeah, I agree. I was merely pointing out that if the Pens were to trade for Perry with no guarantees it would run the risk of making their top 6 significantly worse going forward, which would make it tough to include Kunitz.

And as someone else has already pointed out, the Ducks already had Kunitz once and traded him. They may not even be interested in having him back.

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i think this kind of speculation works only if you assume no extension and no guarantee of one

as in the case of Edler, extension makes him much more valuable, clearly ...Perry would go for waaay more than any of these deals

I could see for the Canucks for unextended CP offering Schroeder, Ballard, 1st

then turn around and flip Schneider for Visnovsky, Reasoner, Nino or Strome, pick ...
could be nasty...

Sedins-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Perry
Raymond-Lapierre-Hansen
Higgins-Reasoner-Kassian

Edler-Visnovsky
Hamhuis-Bieksa
Garrison-Tanev

Luo

how bout this PP ...
Sedins-Perry
Edler-Vis
?
Lmao @ thinking Schneider is worth that much

the Habs could trade Kaberle for Perry and a 1st in your fantasy world

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No way he gets dealt if the Ducks are playing as good as they are now, or even close to it, at the deadline.

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More of speculation, as opposed to a rumor.

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do you mean Dupuis or Despres?

i don't think the Pens would want to trade Kunitz (and i doubt the Ducks would want Kunitz and Despres for Perry).
They did a fusion dance and have become one hockey player
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The Rangers don't have a 1st this year, is a 2014 1st ok?
You don't have the cap space anyway

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The problem is, with Perry a UFA next year, teams aren't going to make "hockey trades" for Perry at the deadline.

The Ducks can always keep him, and there's a legitimate argument for that, or they can trade him at the deadline. But expecting to get roster players of any significance just because you want it doesn't sound like a realistic option.


The market for these types of players at the deadline is pretty well established:

- Young roster player
- Prospect (usually a former 1st round pick who's development is going the wrong way)
- 1st round pick
- maybe another lesser piece (low level prospect or later round pick)


That's what you should expect to see in return should the Ducks ultimately trade Perry or Getzlaf. Or they simply keep him.

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No- difference is unlike Atlanta, the Ducks are at the top of the West. Thats why I can't see them trading him for futures. I'd imagine they'd want help right now.
But the only teams that would be interested in "renting" him would be other teams in the playoff race. Why would they want to give anything of significance up for their run?

It's a catch 22.

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They did a fusion dance and have become one hockey player
Sorry just had to
I imagine that would look like a gangly bird with humongous eyebrows.

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Could a Ducks fan clear up the Perry situation for me? Is ANA still trying to re-sign him or are they fairly certain that he's going to be gone after this season? And if the thinking is that he'll be gone anyway, why?

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Are you mad? That would be an absolute steal.
No, it wouldn't be, especially if Perry bolted three months later for free agency. I would question Shero for even considering sending that to Anaheim for a rental in Perry.

Do people not know what Pittsburgh is looking for? They are looking for a top six winger to play with Crosby and or Malkin. Well, bringing Perry in and trading Kunitz is counterproductive. Trade Kunitz and then you still need a top six winger. It's not hard to follow.

Despres isn't going anywhere and if he does, he ain't going for a rental. He would be moved for a long term solution, not a two or three month guy.

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No way he gets dealt if the Ducks are playing as good as they are now, or even close to it, at the deadline.
If Perry isn't signed at that point then Murray may not have a choice. Losing Perry for nothing would hurt a lot.

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