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02-26-2013, 01:04 PM
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Colton Orr is one of the top fighters and probably would welcome a fight with another heavyweight since he himself is one. Like Chara, "punishing" him is extremely difficult because he's one of the best.
Not saying he wouldn't fight. What I'm saying is that if they put Orr out in that situation, we put ie. Kassian out. They fight and the Bourque thing doesn't happen, let alone Orr going after Plek's knee.

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You know what would have been the best way to have prevented the Colton Orr gongshow that day?

Not get blown out by the ******* Leafs. The Habs gave up by the 3rd, and that's what gave them time to do that.
Agreed 100%, the fundamental problem was that it was a blowout to begin with.

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02-26-2013, 01:18 PM
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Bourque Plek XX
Pax DD Cole
Eller Chuck Gally
Prust White Moen

This should be our line up for playoff.
Pretending that Gionta doesn't exist doesn't make him disappear.

The team concept will ensure he won't be traded and we don't have the available pieces to trade for a first line RW.

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02-26-2013, 01:24 PM
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That sucks, he had a great start to the year and made that line much better. Prust is doing his best but not the same. Hope he isn't out long.

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If we had an enforcer could dress against tough teams to take the Orrs off the ice. So our team won't be intimidated like that again. That was arguably most embarassing loss ever in our history

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Not saying he wouldn't fight. What I'm saying is that if they put Orr out in that situation, we put ie. Kassian out. They fight and the Bourque thing doesn't happen, let alone Orr going after Plek's knee.
Kassian needs to be on the ice first. Kassian-Plekanec-Gionta is not a line combo that would ever happen even in a blowout.

Even if Kassian was on the ice, Orr had his sights set solely on Plekanec. I doubt he gives a rats ass about "protocol". He wanted payback for that thrown stick or whatever, so he would have taken the run FIRST and then start the scrapping. Get the shot in first, fight some opposing the available next game. After all, that's what Bourque did after concussing Backstrom, Cooke after concussing Savard, etc.

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02-26-2013, 02:05 PM
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Time for Bergevin to make a move!!!!! Simon Gagné is available?

Weber + Nokeleinen for Gagné?
...Why? He's been scratched for the past 4-5 games for a reason...

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02-26-2013, 02:06 PM
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Time for Bergevin to make a move!!!!! Simon Gagné is available?

Weber + Nokeleinen for Gagné?
Another player with concussion problems to fill in for concussed player.. Haha.. How's gagne been this year anyway?

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02-26-2013, 02:07 PM
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Time for Bergevin to make a move!!!!! Simon Gagné is available?

Weber + Nokeleinen for Gagné?
I'm sure L.A would love to receive an injured player who has yet to even dress for 1 game this season

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02-26-2013, 02:09 PM
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...Why? He's been scratched for the past 4-5 games for a reason...
Not seeing eye to eye with the coach it seems. Wouldn't be a bad addition and would add depth come the playoffs. For a cheap return, i'd gamble on him

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Pretending that Gionta doesn't exist doesn't make him disappear.

The team concept will ensure he won't be traded and we don't have the available pieces to trade for a first line RW.
Disagree. We definitely have the pieces to trade for a first line RW. The issue is we would be creating problems elsewhere to fulfill such a request via trade.

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02-26-2013, 02:13 PM
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Kassian needs to be on the ice first. Kassian-Plekanec-Gionta is not a line combo that would ever happen even in a blowout.

Even if Kassian was on the ice, Orr had his sights set solely on Plekanec. I doubt he gives a rats ass about "protocol". He wanted payback for that thrown stick or whatever, so he would have taken the run FIRST and then start the scrapping. Get the shot in first, fight some opposing the available next game. After all, that's what Bourque did after concussing Backstrom, Cooke after concussing Savard, etc.
In a 6-0 game, if Orr is on the ice, Kassian is on. It's that simple.

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In a 6-0 game, if Orr is on the ice, Kassian is on. It's that simple.
Therrien did not do that. He could have fielded Prust-Plekanec-Gionta, you know.

But read the second paragraph of the post.
Orr would not have been afraid of Kassian. This guy gave John Scott a body shot to win his fight against Scott, so sucker punching Kassian would have been right up his avenue. As I said, Orr is not a guy who gives a damn about "The Code" or solving conflicts through the fighting major.

He wanted to injure Plekanec Matt Cooke style, and the only to defend against that is Plekanec himself avoid the hit. Kassian would be a few feet away, and then try to start a fight after the damage was done, just like what Bourque tried to do.

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In a 6-0 game, if Orr is on the ice, Kassian is on. It's that simple.
Well Prust Moen and/or White should have been on for the Habs.

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How about a new injury thread? I saw the title, thought Bourque just got a concussion, read the first posts date and thought it was last year then skimmed the comment and realized it was recent again!

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How about a new injury thread? I saw the title, thought Bourque just got a concussion, read the first posts date and thought it was last year then skimmed the comment and realized it was recent again!
maybe you should think about changing your name!

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How about a new injury thread? I saw the title, thought Bourque just got a concussion, read the first posts date and thought it was last year then skimmed the comment and realized it was recent again!
Totally agree. And someone has to to update the main post.

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Why? It helps me separate the wheat from the chaff.

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Therrien did not do that. He could have fielded Prust-Plekanec-Gionta, you know.

But read the second paragraph of the post.
Orr would not have been afraid of Kassian. This guy gave John Scott a body shot to win his fight against Scott, so sucker punching Kassian would have been right up his avenue. As I said, Orr is not a guy who gives a damn about "The Code" or solving conflicts through the fighting major.

He wanted to injure Plekanec Matt Cooke style, and the only to defend against that is Plekanec himself avoid the hit. Kassian would be a few feet away, and then try to start a fight after the damage was done, just like what Bourque tried to do.
Again. Nowhere did I say Orr would be afraid of Kassian. That's not the point.

Point is at 5 or 6 nothing, what you do is tell Kassian that when Orr goes on the ice, you go on the ice and make sure he isn't running around.

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Well Prust Moen and/or White should have been on for the Habs.
Totally different ballpark. White isn't going to do anything with Orr, nor would it be fair to ask him to.

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Bourque Plek XX
Pax DD Cole
Eller Chuck Gally
Prust White Moen

This should be our line up for playoff.
When did Malcolm X's grandson learn to play hockey?

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How about a new injury thread? I saw the title, thought Bourque just got a concussion, read the first posts date and thought it was last year then skimmed the comment and realized it was recent again!
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Totally agree. And someone has to to update the main post.
1) Main post is updated, unless you have some information that I don't. In which case, post it.

2) The thread's been operating the same way as it has for all 5 editions, with all the current changes in the first post and the thread title. It's really not that hard to follow. In fact I've made it as easy as humanly possible and people still complain.

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Why? It helps me separate the wheat from the chaff.
Well said brother!

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1) Main post is updated, unless you have some information that I don't. In which case, post it.

2) The thread's been operating the same way as it has for all 5 editions, with all the current changes in the first post and the thread title. It's really not that hard to follow. In fact I've made it as easy as humanly possible and people still complain.
First post is dated 2012 and says "first skated feb 18". Is there something difficult in having a new injury thread for a new season? Why keep 30 pages of outdated information and discussion for no reason?

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Again. Nowhere did I say Orr would be afraid of Kassian. That's not the point.

Point is at 5 or 6 nothing, what you do is tell Kassian that when Orr goes on the ice, you go on the ice and make sure he isn't running around.
What is the point of "watching" him if he's a good 10 or more feet away from either player? Unless Kassian totally stop playing and just stalks Orr or Pleks all day, there is no way for a second man to defend another against a cheap shot.

In this particular play, Orr is way back off screen at center ice while we were just breaking out of our own zone. Unless Kassian was already out of the zone and we were letting the Leafs play 5-on-4 hockey, there is no way Kassian could have reached Orr.

Orr is aiming to wreck Plekanec's knee. He just needs to hit Plekanec when Plekanec is vulnerable, and unless Kassian is bear-hugging Orr wherever he goes , the oppotunity WILL arise for Orr to land a blow.


Also, Orr probably is not totally dumb and if kneeing Plekanec is not feasible, he can cross-check his head, which he has done before. There are many ways to initiate a cheap shot, and they all take only a split second to perform.

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