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02-26-2013, 02:58 PM
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The other thing that bugs me is Tampa, Miami, Boston, Montreal, etc. being in the "Central" division. But Pittsburgh & Raleigh are in the "Atlantic" division...

They need to man up and separate Pitt and Philly.
Boston, Montreal, Florida and Tampa etc should be in an Atlantic division. Pittsburgh division should just be an Eastern division.

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02-26-2013, 02:59 PM
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This is another difference between fans of teams in the East and West.

A lot of fans in the East don't want to see anyone but teams in the East. If you limit it to the teams in the northeast corridor, all the better.

In the West, a lot of fans want to see Crosby come to town. They want to see the Ranger, or Bruin, or Canadien, or Leaf, or Flyer logo in their own building. It makes it seem like they're part of the NHL, because those players, and those franchises, are the NHL. They have all the history. They have all the prime time games. They have all the hype.

I get why you would say you have no desire to see Calgary, Edmonton, Phoenix, etc, go into NY to play the Rangers. I'm not saying it's wrong to say that either. It's just a clear difference in interests.
First off, you're right, the provincialism is really getting annoying. However, to your point about fans in certain cities wanting to see Crosby come to town ... BULL! This is not the NBA, fans do not pay to see stars, they pay to see teams! And when has Crosby or Ovenchin (however the hell the guy's name is spelled) ever been any sort of draw outside their own markets? Neither one of them are Wayne Gretzky, no matter how hard everyone tries to make it so (and even Gretzky had a great supporting cast during his Edmonton years, he didn't do it all alone.) Come on, some of the oft-repeated arguments around this whole re-alignment issue that are accepted almost as gospel are just painfully absurd. Like the notion two teams can't be rivals if they don't play one-hundred million times a year. Does the earth come off its axis if, say, Montreal and Boston no longer play in the same division? What does it say about the financial strength of most franchises when they are, at least according to most of you, completely dependent on who their opponents are on a nightly basis!? How about the notion that anybody is actually put out by their teams having to visit the West Coast a few times a year? Do we hear NBA/MLB teams & fans whining about this? Both leagues have far more travel as is. And, finally, there is no more need for any debate on this subject: JUST MOVE NASHVILLE to the Southeast, and then jumble around Vancouver, Dallas, and Winnipeg in the West. All that needs to be done, and let anyone who isn't satisfied moan until they're blue in the face. Ideally, of course, we'd have a setup like MLB and the NFL, and everyone would have to share the 'burden,' but everyone would just whine about that, too. This is a business, not the personal plaything of a small handful of teams on the East Coast and their entitled fans! The ignorance of this shown by almost everyone who has posted in this thread is stunning, but go ahead, flame away, tell me how wrong I am, since most of you are, apparently, such know-it-alls ...

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02-26-2013, 02:59 PM
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West team plays 16 East teams home/away for 32. West plays other out of division but in conference 3x per team (21). 29 GP within division.

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East teams would home-away vs 14 West teams (28), 3x each vs out of division but in conference opponents (24) and 30 games within division.
This schedule is vomit enducing.

So you get one less home game vs. a divisional opponent so you can see a random ass western conference team?



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You mean, Columbus and Pittsburgh?
Them too! The Western set up is at least more sensible, perhaps because they have less choices and an almost perfect amount of Pacific time zone teams to take up a whole division.

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Wow, is this stuff ever complicated. Seriously, just have 2 conferences (with 15 teams), 4 divisions, divisional playoffs.

If the PA is so upset about it being "unfair" if a 5th place team from an 8-team division has more pts than a 4th place team from a 7th-place team in its own conference, just give them the playoff spot.

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This schedule is vomit enducing.

So you get one more home game vs. a divisional opponent than you so a random ass western conference team?



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I'm guessing for East teams that don't have as much travel up to this point, are we going to see 7 game West road trips to tackle all teams in one division at once? I know the West coast teams have gone on these huge road trips in their conference-be interesting if the an East team has to do that twice a year, one for each division.

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02-26-2013, 03:04 PM
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If you're Quebec City or Markham...

...what do you make of the new alignment? Looks like the only way an Eastern team gets added is if a current team gets relocated. What do you do if you're one of those two cities (assuming, by cities, I mean the groups interested in bringing the NHL in)

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=416887 (for those that haven't seen the new alignment plan)

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02-26-2013, 03:07 PM
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Wow, is this stuff ever complicated. Seriously, just have 2 conferences (with 15 teams), 4 divisions, divisional playoffs.

If the PA is so upset about it being "unfair" if a 5th place team from an 8-team division has more pts than a 4th place team from a 7th-place team in its own conference, just give them the playoff spot.
I'd hate divisional playoffs. Not much variety in teams. Keep it as it is.

One thing I'd like to see changed is the fact that the division winner gets a top three spot. They should get a play-off spot but not top three if their points are worse.

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88 Game season

Play your division 6 times

Conference 4 times.

Rotate through the other conference so that you get a home game vs the other conference once every other year.

Under this rediculous proposed schedule.. you play the other conference more than your own, and almost as much as your division. Hockey needs to market hate and rivalries, not star players. This isn't basketball.

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02-26-2013, 03:10 PM
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so excited for Divisional playoffs, we didn't know what we had until it was gone.

now the Islanders may never make the playoffs in that Division, but the playoffs are going to be wars again, and familiarity will breed contempt.

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Anybody else want to note that those 7-team western divisions cannot (mathematically) each play 29 division games???

They will need to play their 6 division opponents 5 times a piece for 30 games. The stray game that needs to be dropped will be reducing a Pacific vs. Midwest game for each team.

WEST
6x5 = 30
7x3 = 21 (minus 1)
16x2 = 32
Total 83 (minus 1)

EAST
7x4 = 28 (+2?)
8x3 = 24 (+2?)
14x2 = 28
Total = 80 (+2)

Where do you think the extra 2 games should be played for those eastern teams? Divisional, to milk all you can out of certain rivalries? Conference, to have more teams playing an even number of games against one another?

At either rate, the EAST is looking almost exactly like the NBA, and they should look for smaller divisions (4 of 4) and/or have less guaranteed playoff spots (top 1 or 2 from each division) if they want their playoff format to match their season scheduling.

I've always thought the EAST could afford multiple (3 or 4) divisions and conference playoffs while it was really the WEST that needed to be put into only 2 divisions with divisional playoffs, even with today's scheduling format.

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so excited for Divisional playoffs, we didn't know what we had until it was gone.

now the Islanders may never make the playoffs in that Division, but the playoffs are going to be wars again, and familiarity will breed contempt.
But many games will be wasted playing teams out west, on long road trips, who just want to go through the motions.

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I'd hate divisional playoffs. Not much variety in teams. Keep it as it is.

One thing I'd like to see changed is the fact that the division winner gets a top three spot. They should get a play-off spot but not top three if their points are worse.
I understand there are only going to be 4 divisions/2 conferences, so there will be no "top 3", technically only top 2 for each conference. Top 3 teams in each division make playoffs with wildcard being ala CFL-4th and 5th best record. So Atlantic number one (if they have highest points) would play wildcard with lowest points, and Central champ would play other wild card, with 2 vs 3 as normal in each division.

They're going to be divisional until 3rd round (except wildcard)

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This schedule is vomit enducing.

So you get one less home game vs. a divisional opponent so you can see a random ass western conference team?



Lots more tickets being sold on Stub Hub for me.
This.

It's such a 180 from the original proposal it's mind blowing. I don't understand how the East gets anything beneficial out of this alignment.

And sorry QC, but this doesn't look good for you guys.

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Ok ,, That makes more sense

Still wont help build rivarlies if only 3 teams from a division make it

Should be simple cut and dray

playoffs = 4 best of each division for first 2 rounds

Build rivalries
This. Play two against everyone not in your division, spread the rest in-division. No-crossover.

You're then competing for 4 spots against teams that have played as close to an equal schedule as possible.

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I was thinking of that. I don't know how they would add a team in Markham or QC without moving another team.

Unless part of the "price" of joining the league would be to simply play in a Conference that wasn't particularly convenient for that team or their fans. It wouldn't be terrible for Markham, Dallas is the only team that's super far, and that distance is no different than current distances to Florida based teams.

But QC is quite a bit further North / East and would be as bad as leaving Winnipeg where it is. I really don't know how they would handle that. Unless they were willing to just push Columbus back out into the Mid-West Conference and give their spot to QC.

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Either expand to 32 teams or keep it to 15 teams per conference...

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So only 8 of 16 teams in the east make the playoffs and 8 of 14 teams in the west make the playoffs? What a joke.

What happened to parity Bettman? I'm shocked the eastern teams are approving this crap but then again they approved the lockout, shoot out and that garbage they call the NHL network.

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I just don't like the idea of a "cross-over" if 5 teams from one division make the playoffs. That would mean that 2 teams from the same division could meet in the Conference finals. Otherwise,

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But many games will be wasted playing teams out west, on long road trips, who just want to go through the motions.

I disagree. I like the out of conference games. I like watching Chicago, Edmonton, Vancouver, St. Louis, San Jose, etc. I dont need to play my division opponents 6 times a year again.


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I guess, at the end of the day, they can do whatever they want, but I can't imagine the NHLPA would go for another re-alignment so soon after this one. It shocked me that they didn't go 15 and 15 to leave the option of expansion open, or go 16 in the West and 14 in the East (since expansion is likely to come in the East, if at all)

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divisional playoff format please! there will be some serious wars!

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If I'm Quebec City or Markham, I care not for such things, because I am a land mass, not a person.




Also, this seems more suited to the Business board. Will relocate shortly (heh).

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I was thinking of this too. Honestly I'm surprised the are thinking of moving Detroit East. They are a huge draw for lots of teams out West and they are Chicago's biggest rival historically. Combine that with the fact the either someone who have to move back West or else QC gets put in a crap situation and I don't get it.

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http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opin...ment-plan.html

Interesting little nugget in the article from Friedman, apparently they've committed to this for "3 years". Would suggest to me that after 3 years we see rearranging/shuffling/expansion?

If that's the case, and QC gets an expansion in 3 years (and whoever else), wonder if Columbus is simply a "placeholder" for QC, and will get gets sent to the Midwest in 3 years time.


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