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02-26-2013, 02:26 PM
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If Perry agrees to 5 years at $6 mil per and is signed, then Rangers agree to immediate sign and trade:

Marc Staal
Dan Giardi
Derek Stepan
two third round picks

for Perry and 1st
This is 2 steps backward to go 5 steps forward for Rangers

Next year Richards 6.6 mil bought out offsets 6 per to Perry

Rangers use loss of salary on Staal + Girardi + upcoming raise to Stepan for younger players

Also, trade Brian Boyle + Christian Thomas to CBH for Dylan Olsen + Mark McNeil
next year
Gaborik Halpern Perry
Nash Miller Kreider
Hagelin Lindberg Callahan
Powe McNeil Pyatt

McDonagh Stralman
MDZ Olsen
McIlrath Bickel/Eminger

obviously, still a work in progress but hopefully lose Torts and expect some scoring to return. G outstanding need to add to our D and Cs.


For Ducks, it changes the dynamic of team, now much more D oriented. Stepan is nice as something in case Getzlaf walks. Lots of options to stand pat, or trade each for alternate returns...
That's like 36 steps back and no steps forward. No idea what your fascination with Olsen is.

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02-26-2013, 02:31 PM
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The only player I'd want from Pitt is Letang. Crosby finally gets an elite forward on his line and the Ducks get a top defensemen to play with Fowler.

If Perry doesn't resign with us or we don't trade him, I have a feeling the top two teams become the Maple Leafs and Kings.

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02-26-2013, 02:33 PM
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Perry is probably going to get over 8 million on the open market with the new CBA. He will never accept 6 million per year, if he did, he would already be signed in Anaheim.
I fear you are correct.
But that's most NY can afford.

He can get 8mil from somewhere if he wants to be the man = the team.
If he wants to play with a team that can afford additional talent, then he has to take less, especially given the reality of cap.

The only 2 guys in the league I would pay $8mil per to are Malkin and Stamkos.

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02-26-2013, 02:33 PM
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If the Ducks are still playing this well on 04/02/13, Perry is going to remain with the team for a run.

The end goal is to WIN.

Building for tomorrow can wait until tomorrow when you have a legit shot at winning today.

The trouble teams face is determining if they are at that point in bold above
The trouble is, just having a winning record doesn't mean that we have a real shot at winning today. We have a lot of young talent with this team, and it remains to be seen if they can find the consistency to push for a cup. We're seeing nightly roster upheaval on our end, and if that's still the case around the deadline, I think that has to weigh into the decision.

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02-26-2013, 02:39 PM
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I'm surprised how certain people are Getzlaf will re-sign in Anaheim. In terms of financials, waiting until July 1st to sign will almost certainly skyrocket his value.

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02-26-2013, 02:39 PM
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That's like 36 steps back and no steps forward. No idea what your fascination with Olsen is.
36 steps back and no steps forward.
Yes, this is horrible on our vaunted D and thins us at C.
But it is adding sniper.
We need more scoring.
Losing Torts/system would help. But then, unshackled, more guys who put puck in net, better off we are.


No idea what your fascination with Olsen is.
No fascination. He's a D who is possibly available, last 1st, has been in good system with BH, can probably step in now bottom pair. Has 2nd pair upside.

Not saying he is only guy to target, but fair enough w/McNeil also at cost of Boyle + Thomas

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If Perry agrees to 5 years at $6 mil per and is signed,...
what makes you think Perry would sign for that? Perry will cost a lot, something like 8x7.5M at least IMO.

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36 steps back and no steps forward.
Yes, this is horrible on our vaunted D and thins us at C.
But it is adding sniper.
We need more scoring.
Losing Torts/system would help. But then, unshackled, more guys who put puck in net, better off we are.


No idea what your fascination with Olsen is.
No fascination. He's a D who is possibly available, last 1st, has been in good system with BH, can probably step in now bottom pair. Has 2nd pair upside.

Not saying he is only guy to target, but fair enough w/McNeil also at cost of Boyle + Thomas
I think it's pretty absurd to assume Perry will sign a five year deal at an average of $6 million/yr.

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The only player I'd want from Pitt is Letang. Crosby finally gets an elite forward on his line and the Ducks get a top defensemen to play with Fowler.

If Perry doesn't resign with us or we don't trade him, I have a feeling the top two teams become the Maple Leafs and Kings.
I assume you're talking about Letang for a freshly re-signed Perry? Because trading Letang for a rental of Perry would qualify Shero for legally handicapped status.

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02-26-2013, 02:45 PM
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Really hope Perry somehow ends up in Ottawa. It makes too much sense for Ottawa. Not sure if Perry would want to play in Ottawa however.

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I assume you're talking about Letang for a freshly re-signed Perry? Because trading Letang for a rental of Perry would qualify Shero for legally handicapped status.
it would also qualify him for a pink slip.

Letang for a signed Perry long-term would be something i would consider, but i'd probably turn it down depending on their ability to play successfully in their end without Letang. right now, losing him hurts big time for the Pens defensively.

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Really hope Perry somehow ends up in Ottawa. It makes too much sense for Ottawa. Not sure if Perry would want to play in Ottawa however.
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So this is speculation, not a "rumor"?

Tough decision for the GM to make here.

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Lots of speculation Perry might get dealt if he isn't extended by the deadline, even if the Ducks are in the hunt.

My proposal: a hockey trade that gives the Ducks a player than can play today + future help. No Hossa/Kovalchuk rental-type returns.


Something like Kunitz+Dupres. Or Kreider + 1st. Horton + 1st.


Thoughts?
The Pens have the assets to land Perry. The problem is, do they have the cap room they're going to need to re-sign him. Perry has Detroit written all over him. The assets, the cap and the commitment to bring in big players.

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02-26-2013, 02:52 PM
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look at the rentals for big name UFA rentals in the past. Some of these proposals are crazy.

Kovalchuk-Bergfors, 1st, oduya, cormier

Hossa-Christisen, Armstrong,. 1st, Angelo Esposito

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TO BUF: Pommenville +Leopold/Regehr

TO ANA: 2013 #1 + exclusive rights to negotiate with Perry after the season

TO BUF: Pommenville +Ott +Leopold/Regehr/Weber
TO ANA: 2013 #1 + young quality prospect+exclusive rights to negotiate with Perry after the season.

Anaheim would love to get Ott--they know him all too well from his Dallas playing for Dallas.

Buffalo would have the cap room to try and sign Perry.

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02-26-2013, 02:55 PM
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If Perry agrees to 5 years at $6 mil per and is signed, then Rangers agree to immediate sign and trade:

Marc Staal
Dan Giardi
Derek Stepan
two third round picks

for Perry and 1st
This is 2 steps backward to go 5 steps forward for Rangers

Next year Richards 6.6 mil bought out offsets 6 per to Perry

Rangers use loss of salary on Staal + Girardi + upcoming raise to Stepan for younger players

Also, trade Brian Boyle + Christian Thomas to CBH for Dylan Olsen + Mark McNeil
next year
Gaborik Halpern Perry
Nash Miller Kreider
Hagelin Lindberg Callahan
Powe McNeil Pyatt

McDonagh Stralman
MDZ Olsen
McIlrath Bickel/Eminger

obviously, still a work in progress but hopefully lose Torts and expect some scoring to return. G outstanding need to add to our D and Cs.


For Ducks, it changes the dynamic of team, now much more D oriented. Stepan is nice as something in case Getzlaf walks. Lots of options to stand pat, or trade each for alternate returns...
Dunno how you can say this is a step forward.
Halpern on the first line? Okay ...
Lindberg may or may not be ready for the NHL next year.
You lose the only promising Center this team has.
You lose 2 top 4 former all star Dmen.
For Perry, who is elite, but is not worth tearing down this team. He is a Sharp guy too. Why would he agree to 5 year 6M contract, when he knows he can get close to 7.5 3 months later?
And if he is going to give any team a discount, it would be the Ducks.

A resounding No from the rangers.

Also keep your trade proposals small. The more players you include, the more ridiculous they become.

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02-26-2013, 02:56 PM
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Filppula, Kindl, 2013 1st

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Filppula, Kindl, 2014 1st, Riley Sheahan

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36 steps back and no steps forward.
Yes, this is horrible on our vaunted D and thins us at C.
But it is adding sniper.
We need more scoring.

Losing Torts/system would help. But then, unshackled, more guys who put puck in net, better off we are.


No idea what your fascination with Olsen is.
No fascination. He's a D who is possibly available, last 1st, has been in good system with BH, can probably step in now bottom pair. Has 2nd pair upside.

Not saying he is only guy to target, but fair enough w/McNeil also at cost of Boyle + Thomas
And you think Halpern is the guy to feed him the puck? Come on man.

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bobby ryan in orange and black please

or

sign perry in the offseason.

I just do not want to give up anyone on the flyers offensive side unless they want playoff briere. I do not want to give him up either to be honest.

have your pick of the D men

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look at the rentals for big name UFA rentals in the past. Some of these proposals are crazy.

Kovalchuk-Bergfors, 1st, oduya, cormier

Hossa-Christisen, Armstrong,. 1st, Angelo Esposito
The deals were a team out of the playoffs to a team looking to make a cup run.

anaheim is different. They look to be a top 3 team in the conference. If they trade him they want something in return that would help them now. It changes the dynamic of what gets traded.

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So, Corey Perry will count as two wingers for the Pens? Can we count on his goal and point total he normally gets and require him to add the points Kunitz would too? Is he that good? If so, maybe Anaheim should resign him.

No, you don't get it. We don't need an upgrade. We need to add a top six winger, not do a one for one thing here. Bennett is still a major question. We understand he is better than Kunitz. Comparing Perry to Staal doesn't hold water because they are two totally different players. Staal isn't a winger and we need one. Staal isn't in Pittsburgh anymore in case you didn't realize it. Not sure why you brought him up, but Jordan does things Perry wishes he could do.

Thank God you aren't Shero. Pittsburgh would fall to the bottom with your plan.
Who cares if Bennett is a question mark? Let him play. Do you think every player on the Kings' roster was a sure thing last season, around mid-season?

I really hate this fear of playing young players just because they haven't proven anything. At least they haven't proven they're mediocre, either, which is what a lot of proven players do.

I mentioned Staal because he used to be our third-best offensive player before we traded him. But Perry is on another level.

I don't even know why we are arguing, Anaheim would want more than Kunitz and Despres for Perry, rightfully so.

And Shero could do worse than add another NHL MVP to the fold, believe me.

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Felt it necessary to ensure people knew what team I was talking about.

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bobby ryan in orange and black please

or

sign perry in the offseason.

I just do not want to give up anyone on the flyers offensive side unless they want playoff briere. I do not want to give him up either to be honest.

have your pick of the D men
who on the Flyers defense would the Ducks even want for Perry?

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Filppula, Kindl, 2013 1st

or

Filppula, Kindl, 2014 1st, Riley Sheahan
I was just going to post something similar. I'd rather give Nyquist over Sheahan though.

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