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02-26-2013, 02:58 PM
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Fans in any given market shouldn't be paying to see the other team or its stars, they should be paying to see their own teams! No matter who they are playing! And I believe that's how most fans think and act. Maybe just the ones inhabiting this board are different. I repeat, YET AGAIN, 95% of the arguments made throughout this thread are absurd!
I really think the Northeast division teams are the only ones who think this way. I guess our in division games are much more entertaining than any other division.

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Canucks vs, Bruins was entertaining because they played in the playoffs. Did you know they played against each other earlier that year? Probably not because it was rather mundane and forgettable.
the Oilers-Flyers game last year was one of the best of the year...Hartnell's flying elbow attempt on Pajaarvi...Corey Potter's retaliation causing brawls

and this was a one-off game

heck, the Oilers-Pens home opener last year was great too...no Crosby but highly entertaining

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And yes, as a Bruins STH. I would most likely not go into Boston to see the Oilers, or Islanders to be honest.
why not?

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Point is, fans in any given market shouldn't be paying to see the other team or its stars, they should be paying to see their own teams! I repeat, 95% of the arguments made throughout this thread are absurd!
Most people do pay to see their own team. Certainly the season ticket holders do. It's not at the NBA level, but people would like to see guys like Crosby, Malkin, or Stamkos. They would like to see the O6 teams.

If it didn't happen, I doubt people who have already been buying tickets for years would stop, but it would just be an added perk. Catching a game on TV, or a highlight or two, doesn't do those players or logo's justice. I think even the PA wants home and home between every team. The big northeast corridor teams would rather not I'm sure, but they're not the only franchises in the league, even though they are the foundation on which the league is built.

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Point is, fans in any given market shouldn't be paying to see the other team or its stars, they should be paying to see their own teams! I repeat, 95% of the arguments made throughout this thread are absurd!
Why not just have every team practice by themselves for 8 months, charge admission for that, and call it a season? Of course fans are going to pay to see other teams or its stars. This is evidenced by the tiered ticket prices in many markets that raise the cost for certain opponents.

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Fans in any given market shouldn't be paying to see the other team or its stars, they should be paying to see their own teams! No matter who they are playing! And I believe that's how most fans think and act. Maybe just the ones inhabiting this board are different. I repeat, YET AGAIN, 95% of the arguments made throughout this thread are absurd!
But, too bad it doesn't work that way. The atmosphere in the buildings are much different for a division game. You live outside of Boston. I guarantee you could find a Bruins season ticket holder who will sell you all of his Western Conference games. I see it with my tickets. I have had Rangers seasons since 1998. I sell about 25 games a year and go to about 15 or so. When I put them out, the division games are the games for which people ask. Look at stubhub or the team ticket exchanges and check out which games get the better premiums.

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So, basically, you're not going into Boston to see your own team play, which you have season tickets to. Okay, this thread has completely 'jumped the shark' now ...
The topic is teams fans want to see.. yes I have season tickets and there was a time when I lived in Boston, I would go to every game.. now I live 40 miles away and it is not feasible to do that. So I choose to go to divisional games and games vs. the Rangers, Penguins, and Flyers.

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02-26-2013, 03:03 PM
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First off, you're right, the provincialism is really getting annoying. However, to your point about fans in certain cities wanting to see Crosby come to town ... BULL! This is not the NBA, fans do not pay to see stars, they pay to see teams! And when has Crosby or Ovenchin (however the hell the guy's name is spelled) ever been any sort of draw outside their own markets? Neither one of them are Wayne Gretzky, no matter how hard everyone tries to make it so (and even Gretzky had a great supporting cast during his Edmonton years, he didn't do it all alone.) Come on, some of the oft-repeated arguments around this whole re-alignment issue that are accepted almost as gospel are just painfully absurd. Like the notion two teams can't be rivals if they don't play one-hundred million times a year. Does the earth come off its axis if, say, Montreal and Boston no longer play in the same division? What does it say about the financial strength of most franchises when they are, at least according to most of you, completely dependent on who their opponents are on a nightly basis!? How about the notion that anybody is actually put out by their teams having to visit the West Coast a few times a year? Do we hear NBA/MLB teams & fans whining about this? Both leagues have far more travel as is. And, finally, there is no more need for any debate on this subject: JUST MOVE NASHVILLE to the Southeast, and then jumble around Vancouver, Dallas, and Winnipeg in the West. All that needs to be done, and let anyone who isn't satisfied moan until they're blue in the face. Ideally, of course, we'd have a setup like MLB and the NFL, and everyone would have to share the 'burden,' but everyone would just whine about that, too. This is a business, not the personal plaything of a small handful of teams on the East Coast and their entitled fans! The ignorance of this shown by almost everyone who has posted in this thread is stunning, but go ahead, flame away, tell me how wrong I am, since most of you are, apparently, such know-it-alls ...
You have been saying the same thing for 3 days. When was the last time we had an inter-conference rivalry? Maybe Isles-Oilers in the early and mid 80s? Even inter-division rivalries come and go. The Wings-Avs was strong and now it is dead. The Wings-Hawks is strong even with the Hawks being down for a while. Pens-Caps today? Yeah, but that started as a division rivalry, then through sheer luck they still wound up playing in the play-offs a bunch of years even when they re-aligned in 98. Now, it is hyped for Crosby-Ovechkin. Name another inter-division rivalry that is strong year in and year out. You can't because there are none.

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But, too bad it doesn't work that way. The atmosphere in the buildings are much different for a division game. You live outside of Boston. I guarantee you could find a Bruins season ticket holder who will sell you all of his Western Conference games. I see it with my tickets. I have had Rangers seasons since 1998. I sell about 25 games a year and go to about 15 or so. When I put them out, the division games are the games for which people ask. Look at stubhub or the team ticket exchanges and check out which games get the better premiums.
You know, given how much the success of this league is gate-driven, I'm surprised your point isn't given more consideration with the schedule. Maybe TPTB think the new schedule matrix will actually increase attendance? If so, on what are they basing their assumption, I wonder?

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You know, given how much the success of this league is gate-driven, I'm surprised your point isn't given more consideration with the schedule. Maybe TPTB think the new schedule matrix will actually increase attendance? If so, on what are they basing their assumption, I wonder?
Maybe.. but the expansion franchises seem to love having their arenas filled with transplants seeing their teams, or a super duper cool star player.

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Boston, Montreal, Florida and Tampa etc should be in an Atlantic division. Pittsburgh division should just be an Eastern division.
It doesn't need to be strict geography where the 8-most eastern teams by lines of longitude are in the atlantic. The way they broke it up makes sense. I agree with pairing the Florida teams so that leaves Carolina and Columbus as a pair. Those pairs could really be put in either division, but I understand trying to get a Columbus-Pittsburgh rivalry going. The Florida teams benefit from transplants of cities in both divisions.

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I personally think both playoff situations are bad. Having Carolina play Anaheim in round 1 is not a good idea to say the least and neither is only being able to play teams inside your division in round 1 (actually, I think this is even worse) They should just leave the playoffs as is. There is nothing wrong with the system they have now.

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But, too bad it doesn't work that way. The atmosphere in the buildings are much different for a division game. You live outside of Boston. I guarantee you could find a Bruins season ticket holder who will sell you all of his Western Conference games. I see it with my tickets. I have had Rangers seasons since 1998. I sell about 25 games a year and go to about 15 or so. When I put them out, the division games are the games for which people ask. Look at stubhub or the team ticket exchanges and check out which games get the better premiums.
No, I live IN the Boston area, but I don't buy your argument, at least not completely. A true fan will watch their team play whoever is put in front of them, not pick and choose.

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Also, since I admit I am still a bit confused ,does this mean teams will play each team in their division or conference 8 times? I really hope not. I couldn't stand that format.

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are they going to go with a 2-3-2 format to further reduce playoff travel? I'm not a fan of that, but it's what the NBA has been doing, and if the players and owners want to continue to whine about travel, this would accomplish that
Only in the finals does the NBA use the 2-3-2 format. All other rounds are 2-2-1-1-1.

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You have been saying the same thing for 3 days. When was the last time we had an inter-conference rivalry? Maybe Isles-Oilers in the early and mid 80s? Even inter-division rivalries come and go. The Wings-Avs was strong and now it is dead. The Wings-Hawks is strong even with the Hawks being down for a while. Pens-Caps today? Yeah, but that started as a division rivalry, then through sheer luck they still wound up playing in the play-offs a bunch of years even when they re-aligned in 98. Now, it is hyped for Crosby-Ovechkin. Name another inter-division rivalry that is strong year in and year out. You can't because there are none.
Easy, Red Wings vs. Penguins. Two years straight in the Cup Finals. Rivalries come and go, and it shouldn't be any other way.

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I really think the Northeast division teams are the only ones who think this way. I guess our in division games are much more entertaining than any other division.
I think part of it is proximity. I have seen the Rangers in every arena in the northeast except Buffalo. Been to montreal twice, toronto, ottawa twice, boston three times, washington, philly about 10-15 times, pitt 7 or 8 times, carolina, florida twice, detroit, plus lots of visits to LI and NJ. I have noticed more visiting fans showing up in lots of arenas. With stubhub it is easy to get tickets. From my house I can get to Boston, Philly, Washington, Pittsburgh, Montreal, and ottawa, all less than 7 hours. Most less than 5. Plus, you can find hotel rooms for cheap, if you are a miles-***** like me, you can get flights for cheap or free. I think having opposing fans adds to the atmosphere. The back and forth between the fans, makes those games more entertaining. Plus, you just feel the game is more important when it is against a team for which you are competing in the standings. If you tell me the next 4 rangers games are edm, cgy, bos, and pit and you see in your crystal ball they are going to win 2 and lose 2, I would rather lose the games against edm and cgy.

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Easy, Red Wings vs. Penguins. Two years straight in the Cup Finals. Rivalries come and go, and it shouldn't be any other way.
Easy? i think not. That rivalry is nothing big. And no, rivalries that come and go are not real rivalries.

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Maybe.. but the expansion franchises seem to love having their arenas filled with transplants seeing their teams, or a super duper cool star player.
Yeah, I think that's where my train of thought is headed. Here in the east, it's pretty clear that fans are heading into the rink to see divisional rivals, but perhaps elsewhere, and particularly in places where attendance needs to improve, fans will be lured by more non-divisional games. I have to think that someone, somewhere, has done some kind of research and analysis on this, right? .... right?

Oh yeah, this is the NHL we're talking about.


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No, I live IN the Boston area, but I don't buy your argument, at least not completely. A true fan will watch their team play whoever is put in front of them, not pick and choose.
Go to 41 hockey games in a season then you can lecture everyone you want about picking and choosing which games to go to.

I think everyone here would watch their team on TV vs whom ever.. We have thousands of posts on an internet message board for **** sake.

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I think part of it is proximity. I have seen the Rangers in every arena in the northeast except Buffalo. Been to montreal twice, toronto, ottawa twice, boston three times, washington, philly about 10-15 times, pitt 7 or 8 times, carolina, florida twice, detroit, plus lots of visits to LI and NJ. I have noticed more visiting fans showing up in lots of arenas. With stubhub it is easy to get tickets. From my house I can get to Boston, Philly, Washington, Pittsburgh, Montreal, and ottawa, all less than 7 hours. Most less than 5. Plus, you can find hotel rooms for cheap, if you are a miles-***** like me, you can get flights for cheap or free. I think having opposing fans adds to the atmosphere. The back and forth between the fans, makes those games more entertaining. Plus, you just feel the game is more important when it is against a team for which you are competing in the standings. If you tell me the next 4 rangers games are edm, cgy, bos, and pit and you see in your crystal ball they are going to win 2 and lose 2, I would rather lose the games against edm and cgy.
There are regular season games I have attended that I will tell my grandchildren about.. not a single one was vs. a western conference team.

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Point is, fans in any given market shouldn't be paying to see the other team or its stars, they should be paying to see their own teams! I repeat, 95% of the arguments made throughout this thread are absurd!
It's not just about hard core fans. It's about trying to make some that are casual fans or maybe just a sports fan in general to watch some hockey and maybe become a fan. And having every team in a market every year can help build that. Anytime a marquee player or team comes in it generates fan interest.

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Go to 41 hockey games in a season then you can lecture everyone you want about picking and choosing which games to go to.

I think everyone here would watch their team on TV vs whom ever.. We have thousands of posts on an internet message board for **** sake.
Well, the person I was responding to claimed to be a season-ticket holder, now didn't they?

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No, I live IN the Boston area, but I don't buy your argument, at least not completely. A true fan will watch their team play whoever is put in front of them, not pick and choose.
In an idealistic world, yes. In the real world, no. I will watch every rangers game. But when I decide which games I am going to keep and which I am going to sell, opponent comes into play. I have sold to people who just want to go to a game, and do not care who they are playing. It has always been someone who is either bringing their kid to a game, and the kid is happy just to go to a game. Or, it is someone who only goes to 1-2 games per year.

Individual player? No. The guy who sits to my right used to keep the Cgy game to see Iginla and the Dallas game to see Modano. For me, that doesn't matter.

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Easy, Red Wings vs. Penguins. Two years straight in the Cup Finals. Rivalries come and go, and it shouldn't be any other way.
Then it isn't a rivalry. Rivalries are traditional opponents. Can't build a tradition if you rarely (or never) meet.

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I would imagine Columbus must be just as happy as Detroit is to be moving East since the two teams pretty much had identical travel issues it would seem. I have to admit that although I don't like this current proposal, I do like the fact that Detroit and Columbus move east (though I don't love Detroit moving east for my Devils fan purposes lol)

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