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02-26-2013, 03:44 PM
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With all the leaf fans how is this not mentioned??

The Nordiques sent Sundin, Garth Butcher, Todd Warriner, and a 1994 first-round draft pick (acquired through the 1992 Eric Lindros deal, traded to the Washington Capitals, used to pick Nolan Baumgartner) to the Leafs in exchange for Wendel Clark, Sylvain Lefebvre, Landon Wilson, and a 1994 first-round draft pick (used to pick Jeff Kealty).


At the time, Wendel Clark was old, and a UFA after that year (he re-signed with the leafs)

And you got a 21-22 year old Sundin:

Sundin made his NHL debut with Quebec during the 199091 NHL season, finishing second on the team behind Joe Sakic with 59 points.[5] He scored his first NHL goal against the Hartford Whalers in his first NHL game on October 4, 1990.[1] After improving to 76 points in his second NHL season, he led the Nordiques with a career-high 114 points in 199293, emerging as one of the league's premier young players. He played one more season with the Nordiques, recording 85 points in 84 games, before being dealt to the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Sundin averaged just over a point per game (1349 points in 1346 NHL games).

Should be a pretty good choice for best trade ever.

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02-26-2013, 03:51 PM
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Best:
Minnesota: O'Sullivan and a 1st for Pavol Demitra. That 1st was Trevor Lewis, O'Sullivan signed in Europe.
NYR: McDonagh. Maybe Gretzky.

Worst:
Minnesota: Nick Leddy and Kim Johnsson for Cam Barker
NYR: Not a trade, but letting Messier go to free agency.
Gretzky wasn't a trade.

And the Messier trade needs to be mentioned.

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02-26-2013, 03:54 PM
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Best in my lifetime:

Ryan McDonagh and Chris Higgins for Scott Gomez

Mark Messier for Bernie Nicholls, Steven Rice and Louie DeBrusk

Worst in my lifetime:

Mike Ridley and Kelly Miller for Bobby Carpenter

Rick Middleton for Ken Hodge

Sergei Zubov and Petr Nedved for Ulf Samuellson and Luc Robetaille

Trades that won us the cup but were bad over the long haul:

Tony Amonte for Stephane Matteau and Brian Noonan

Doug Weight for Esa Tikkanen

Mike Gartner for Glenn Anderson

The Messier trade also included future considerations which became Beukeboom for David Shaw.

Jagr (WAS shared his cap hit) for Anson Carter should be mentioned.

The Gartner for Anderson trade didn't really hurt them long-term.

They made two other great deals that helped get them the Cup:

Larmer for Patrick (although he was a favorite of mine) and Turcotte

Kevin Lowe for Roman Oksiuta and a 3rd


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02-26-2013, 04:28 PM
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The Messier trade also included future considerations which became Beukeboom for David Shaw.

Jagr (WAS shared his cap hit) for Anson Carter should be mentioned.

The Gartner for Anderson trade didn't really hurt them long-term.

They made two other great deals that helped get them the Cup:

Larmer for Patrick (although he was a favorite of mine) and Turcotte

Kevin Lowe for Roman Oksiuta and a 3rd




Weren't bad over the long haul though.

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02-26-2013, 04:30 PM
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Recent Leafs:

The good: Luke Shenn for JVR.

Beuchamin for Lupul and Gardiner.

Hagman, Stajan, Mayers and White for Phaneuf, Aulie and Sjostrom.

Kaberle for Colborne and a cond. 1st (#30 Rakell)

The not so good: 1st (Seguin) 2nd (knight) 1st (Hamilton) for Kessel.

The ugly: Rask for Raycroft.

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02-26-2013, 04:46 PM
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Weren't bad over the long haul though.
I didn't mean to imply that they were. My point was the Gartner for Anderson didn't really have a long term effect.

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02-26-2013, 05:01 PM
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You are wrong. Had we signed Kessel to an offersheet the compensation would have been 1st, 2nd and 3rd.
You sure?

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And if you dont want to include the Kessel trade because it was only picks and not actual players, why then include the Kurvers trade?
Fair question. At this point I'm unwilling to include the Kessel deal because he has been and continues to be the best player involved in the deal. If, in 20 years, Dougie Hamilton is nearing the end of a world class, perrenial all-star, Norris winning, Cup winning, Olympic gold medal winning career - I'll include the Kessel deal on my bad trades list. For now, I take Kessel over Seguin 8 days a week, and am unsure of what calibre of player either Hamilton or Knight will develope into. Point being, the outcome of this deal is still completely speculative.

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I do think trading those picks for Kessel will go down as one of the worst trades in Leafs history. First of all the timing of the trade was terrible. A team lacking a #1 C, #1 D and a #1 goalie who did not even have a captain and who the GM took every chance he had telling every one how bad they where and how soft they played. Then he takes this bottom teams 2 first rounders in the next drafts and trade them for a soft goal scoring winger with out leadership qualities. How could that turn the franchise around?
Not everyone is as down on Kessel as you seem to be. As mentioned above, I take Kessel over Seguin anyday. Anyday. Hamilton looks like he's going to be a very nice piece in a couple of years, but for now... I'm satisfied with our defensive depth without him.

In short, I didn't include the Kessel deal on my list, because I'm not convinced it was a bad trade.

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02-26-2013, 05:25 PM
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You sure?
Yes. First, second and third picks for a deal worth between $4.52 million and $6.02 million per season
Burke throw in an extra first to get the deal done so he would not have to make an offer sheet seeing as he was against them on principal. He did however give up other assets so Leafs could get its own 2nd round pick back to use the offer sheet as a threat.

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Fair question. At this point I'm unwilling to include the Kessel deal because he has been and continues to be the best player involved in the deal. If, in 20 years, Dougie Hamilton is nearing the end of a world class, perrenial all-star, Norris winning, Cup winning, Olympic gold medal winning career - I'll include the Kessel deal on my bad trades list. For now, I take Kessel over Seguin 8 days a week, and am unsure of what calibre of player either Hamilton or Knight will develope into. Point being, the outcome of this deal is still completely speculative.
Right now he is the best player in the deal. He is also the most proven player and the one who is a UFA after next year.

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Not everyone is as down on Kessel as you seem to be. As mentioned above, I take Kessel over Seguin anyday. Anyday. Hamilton looks like he's going to be a very nice piece in a couple of years, but for now... I'm satisfied with our defensive depth without him.

In short, I didn't include the Kessel deal on my list, because I'm not convinced it was a bad trade.
When a manager takes over a team who have the lowest ranked prospect pool in the league and who lacks leadership, skill, grit, you name it we lacked it. Then holding on to picks who most likely will be very high picks is key to future success. Adding more pieces to the puzzle then just one.

I think Kessel is a good player who is great at creating offense for him self and recently also others and getting players with his skill level is not a bad thing but if you weight in everything that was traded to make that deal happen it does not look that good. Even less so when considering the position the Leafs was in.

Anton Stralman, Colin Stuart, 2012 7th round pick to Calgary to get Wayne Primeau + 2011 2nd round pick (Brandon Saad) that was then traded to Chicago (who had our 2nd rounder 2011) along with our 3rd pick 2011.

So the cost for Kessel (and Primeau who played 59 games as a Leaf) was in the end
Stralman, Stuart, 2012 7th rounder, Calgarys 2nd rounder 2011, Leafs 1st 2011, Leafs 2nd 2011, Leafs 3rd 2011, Leafs 1st 2012.

That is an awful lot for a team in need of a rebuild to get one really good player in who they did not really need at the time.


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02-26-2013, 08:00 PM
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I don't know how you can leave out the DET trade of a washed up Ferderko and Tony Mckegny for Adam Oates. This is the one ill remember as the best trade. The Hull trade, while giving STL a new arena and a crap ton of money, gave away the cup to CAL. Those parts wouldn't have brought the cup here but giving it to CAL always seems to make the Hull trade lesser.
Yeah that was imbalanced value BUT the Oates trade didn't have anywhere near the impact that the Hull trade did. Oates was in St. Louis for fewer than three seasons and forced a Pronger-type get-anything-you-can massive downgrade to Soft Janney. Oates is also a true POS, quit on the team and fans, and I'm glad he never got his hands on the Cup. I actually had to root for the Devils in 2003 so as to avoid Oates or Steve Thomas ever getting their names on the Cup.

I might even rank the Mellanby for David Morriset trade as a better trade than the Oates trade. Mellanby played for more than three seasons in St. Louis and definitely had an impact on the top line, often its best player.

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02-26-2013, 08:17 PM
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Best:

Naslund for Stojanov
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Luongo, Krajicek + 6th round pick in '06 (Shirokov) for Bertuzzi, Auld + Allen
or
Linden for Bertuzzi, McCabe + 3rd pick in '98 (Ruutu)

Note: Linden trade turned out to be for us essentially: Luongo + Sedins

Worst:
Neely for Pederson
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Vaive + Derlago for Williams + Butler even though Tiger was a fan favourite.

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02-26-2013, 08:23 PM
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some you forgot:

BUF Rhett Warrener +5th round pick (some kid by name of Ryan Miller) to FLA Michael Wilson
BUF Rene Robert to PIT Eddie Shack
BUF Dale Hawerchuk to WIN Phil Housley
BUF Pat Lafontaine et al to NYI Pierre Turgeon et al

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02-26-2013, 09:27 PM
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Best: Claiming Peverley off of waivers and flipping him to Boston for Wheeler and Stuart.

Worst: Easily the Kovalchuk trade.

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02-26-2013, 09:29 PM
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Best: Claiming Peverley off of waivers and flipping him to Boston for Wheeler and Stuart.

Worst: Easily the Kovalchuk trade.
The Jets weren't the Jets when the Kovy trade was done + that was not a bad deal, Kovalchuk wasn't going to sign, he was clearly looking for a 100M deal.

Atlanta could not give him that because their franchise was worth a bit more than a 100M.

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02-26-2013, 09:47 PM
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Some of the Leafs Best:
Gilmour+ for Leeman+ 10 man deal
Andreychuk/Puppa for Aging Grant Fehr
Sundin from QC
Gardiner/Lupul from ANA

Some of the worst:
Raycroft for Rask
Russ Courtnall for John Kordic

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02-26-2013, 09:53 PM
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Worst: Robert Lang from the Caps. I can't remember what it was for (1st round pick in a very deep draft, I believe), but he just didn't work out in Detroit. I've never seen a lazier skate in my life.
A first plus Fleischmann, and the 1st was either Schultz or Mike Green.

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02-26-2013, 10:21 PM
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The Jets weren't the Jets when the Kovy trade was done + that was not a bad deal, Kovalchuk wasn't going to sign, he was clearly looking for a 100M deal.

Atlanta could not give him that because their franchise was worth a bit more than a 100M.
I realise that, but the thread said 'of all time'. Chevy hasn't done any trades that make me shake my head yet, so I had to pull from the Thrashers' history.

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02-26-2013, 11:10 PM
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Best Red Wings trade?

I agree with the ones mentioned so far.
I'll add two more candidates
-Chelios for 1999 1st, 2001 1st, and Anders Eriksson
-Brendan Shanahan for Paul Coffey and Keith Primeau

For worst?

Bernie Federko and Tony McKegney for Adam Oates and Paul Maclean.

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02-26-2013, 11:14 PM
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A first plus Fleischmann, and the 1st was either Schultz or Mike Green.
First in Lang-to-DET deal turned into Mike Green.

The acquired first that turned into Jeff Schultz came from B's in Gonchar-to-BOS deal.

For Bruins (ones old enough I remember going down)

Best:
Neely + 1st (Wesley) for Pedersen (VAN)
Oates for Janney + Quintal (STL)
Wesley for 3 firsts (HAR) - McLaren, Aitken, Samsonov
HM: Poulin for Linseman/Propp for 2nd (PHI) those guys were phenomenal in 90 Cup run.
HM: Rask for Raycroft (TOR)

Worst
Iafrate for Juneau (WAS)
Casey for Moog (DAL)
Rolston, Pahlsson, Grenier + 1st for Bourque + Anderychuk (COL)

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my bipolarity prevents me from naming habs best lol

worst are easy -

chelios for savard
roy for garbage
the gomez / Mac D deal

best?

kovalev deal
damphousse from the oilers
pete mahovalich from detroit
pacioretty and gorges for rivet
guy lafleur pick for ernie hicke

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