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02-26-2013, 07:25 PM
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It's an answer, I guess. AHL standings mean more to you then they do for myself. If the Leafs had the number one ranked prospects in the NHL I hope you'd be arguing the same thing you are now.
The realist measure is team results. I have no problem sticking to that. I imagine they do.

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02-26-2013, 07:26 PM
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Why do you keep talking about individuals? To the realist all that matters is team results.
Because we are talking about prospects and how they are ranked by the team that owns them....perhaps....



Again, hilarious discussion. I'm quite moved by it.

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02-26-2013, 07:28 PM
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And I'm sure pro scouts have too. And I'm sure they know what prospects teams have in the American Hockey league...and the Swedish Elite League, and every other league.

That's what they get paid to do.

Something tells me you could even name five SEL players, let alone knowing their teams inside and out.
I don't think you know how scouting works. Your job isn't to know every player out there.

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Why? I've been assured over and over again that all that matters is team results.
Not when we are talking about teams who own individual prospects throughout various leagues on various teams. You think you know Morgan Rielly's game well? Hate to break it to you...but every scout employed across the league knows it too. Or they can find out in no time at all.

So again, this idea you harbor that you think you know a better way to rank individual prospects than pro scouts....it's just silly...and that's a polite way of saying it.


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02-26-2013, 07:31 PM
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The realist measure is team results. I have no problem sticking to that. I imagine they do.
How can you say a realists only measure is team results when we are defending a THN list of teams prospects, not standings, and you're the one attempting to discredit it and simply use AHL team standings?

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02-26-2013, 07:32 PM
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I don't think you know how scouting works. Your job isn't to know every player out there.
Only the ones who excel for their team.

Amateur and professional scouts know these players and categorize them.

That's how the draft works, did you know?

The way it works..see..is the team with the first pick tries to get a better player than everyone else...and then the next team picks and does the same....and so on and so forth.

Without amateur and pro scouts knowing the best players around the junior leagues, they wouldn't stand much of a chance on the draft floor.

I feel as though I shouldn't have to spoonfeed to you this very basic information.

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02-26-2013, 07:32 PM
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I don't think you know how scouting works. Your job isn't to know every player out there.
Which is why we're talking about the consensus of a pool of scouts. I have no idea what you're arguing anymore.

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02-26-2013, 07:33 PM
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How can you say a realists only measure is team results when we are defending a THN list of teams prospects, not standings, and you're the one attempting to discredit it and simply use AHL team standings?
Because he's putting us on..

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Because he's putting us on..
I think you're right. Weird conversation.

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Not when we are talking about teams who own individual prospects throughout various leagues on various teams. You think you know Morgan Rielly's game well? Hate to break it to you...but every scout employed across the league knows it too. Or they can find out in no time at all.

So again, this idea you harbor that you think you know a better way to rank individual prospects than pro scouts....it's just silly...and that's a polite way of saying it.

Again with the lying? It's really simple: team results.

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02-26-2013, 07:36 PM
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How can you say a realists only measure is team results when we are defending a THN list of teams prospects, not standings, and you're the one attempting to discredit it and simply use AHL team standings?
Apparently you've missed the past 3 years where we've been assured ad nauseum that the only measure is team results? Methinks you may be missing a major point in your defense above.

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02-26-2013, 07:37 PM
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Only the ones who excel for their team.

Amateur and professional scouts know these players and categorize them.

That's how the draft works, did you know?

The way it works..see..is the team with the first pick tries to get a better player than everyone else...and then the next team picks and does the same....and so on and so forth.

Without amateur and pro scouts knowing the best players around the junior leagues, they wouldn't stand much of a chance on the draft floor.

I feel as though I shouldn't have to spoonfeed to you this very basic information.
Too bad you still don't understand that different scouts scout different things.

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Apparently you've missed the past 3 years where we've been assured ad nauseum that the only measure is team results?
Yes...and that's for assessing a GM's performance. The results of his team.

How we assess prospects is different.

Is this really so hard to grasp?

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02-26-2013, 07:41 PM
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Apparently you've missed the past 3 years where we've been assured ad nauseum that the only measure is team results?
Apparently you missed the last few hours where we were discussing THN's prospect rankings as they related to Burke's rebuilt prospect pool? Didn't realize the goal posts had changed that's all.

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Yes...and that's for assessing a GM's performance. The results of his team.

How we assess prospects is different.

Is this really so hard to grasp?
Nope. Sorry but try again. Any discussion of prospects and young player development was irrelevant. Team results was be all and end all.

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Nope. Sorry but try again. Any discussion of prospects and young player development was irrelevant. Team results was be all and end all.
"This conversation is about what I say it's about and that's it."

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Apparently you missed the last few hours where we were discussing THN's prospect rankings as they related to Burke's rebuilt prospect pool? Didn't realize the goal posts had changed that's all.
They've been the same for 3 years. People are just being forced to stick with an argument instead of doing as you suggest.

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"This conversation is about what I say it's about and that's it."
Starting to see the stupidity of the past 3 year argument yet?

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02-26-2013, 07:47 PM
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Nope. Sorry but try again. Any discussion of prospects and young player development was irrelevant. Team results was be all and end all.
You rank a GM's performance by the team's results.

You rank a prospect based on his ability as a player, not how his team does.

Scouts (like Brian Burke for Anaheim ) get paid to assess that ability. And they do it better than someone on HFboards...believe it or not. You seem to have a very high opinion of yourself that you not only DONT need to view or scout other teams players but that when you do view or scout a player, you do it better than a paid professional in the field. Not sure which is worse. LOL

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Starting to see the stupidity of the past 3 year argument yet?
What exactly was my argument for the past three years? Since this is what we're talking about... And do we have to start bringing out the insults now? Is this where we're at?

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Thank Burke?

How many of you were calling for kadri to be traded and how he was just gonna be a bust. Burke refused to panic and trade him and now were seeing what kind of potential he really has, he is truly fun to watch out there. Every time he touches the puck I expect something good to happen at the current moment.

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Thank Burke for the rest of the team too.

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Wilson was the one who was killing Kadri's career.

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Really wish they would let kadri center Kessel and JVR for a little bit

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Wilson was the problem, only problem with Burke is that he never saw it.

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