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How/what to name 4 re-aligned groupings?

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02-26-2013, 07:14 PM
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Atlantic, East, Midwest/Central, Pacific is the obvious choice

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02-26-2013, 07:35 PM
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They can't call the ne+Florida the East because they are already in the eastern conference.

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02-26-2013, 07:53 PM
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Well, for whatever it's worth, NHL.com is backing LeBrun by the composition and the names of the realignment he tweeted about.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=657635

East = Atlantic & Central
West = Midwest & Pacific

.... seriously, I know it's a minor gripe, but drop the "Midwest," name that division the Central, and come up with some other name for the other eastern division.
no kidding when i think of midwest manitoba, colorado, texas do not come to mind.

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02-26-2013, 07:55 PM
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no kidding when i think of midwest manitoba, colorado, texas do not come to mind.
Manitoba is essentially the "midwest"-ern province in Canada. No one in Canada uses the term "midwest" but I would say Manitoba fits in there quite nicely.

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02-26-2013, 08:00 PM
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Winnipeg is basically directly north of Minneapolis

in what way is that not "mid-west"

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02-26-2013, 08:03 PM
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Winnipeg is basically directly north of Minneapolis

in what way is that not "mid-west"
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Manitoba is essentially the "midwest"-ern province in Canada. No one in Canada uses the term "midwest" but I would say Manitoba fits in there quite nicely.
Because the Midwest refers to a specific region of the United States, which Manitoba is not a part of.



If we were talking about just a single non-Midwestern team being in the division, not a big deal. But for 4 of the 7 to not be Midwestern in a "Midwest Division?" Only suggests that the people in the NHL head offices don't know jack about geographic regions.

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02-26-2013, 08:05 PM
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Because the Midwest refers to a specific region of the United States, which Manitoba is not a part of.



If we were talking about just a single non-Midwestern team being in the division, not a big deal. But for 4 of the 7 to not be Midwestern in a "Midwest Division?" Only suggests that the people in the NHL head offices don't know jack about geographic regions.
Yeah, I already get that it's an American term, however my point is that Manitoba is pretty much Midwestern as well, just in Canada.

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02-26-2013, 08:07 PM
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Because the Midwest refers to a specific region of the United States, which Manitoba is not a part of.



If we were talking about just a single non-Midwestern team being in the division, not a big deal. But for 4 of the 7 to not be Midwestern in a "Midwest Division?" Only suggests that the people in the NHL head offices don't know jack about geographic regions.
But if you look at what is considered the midwest the only thing truly west about it is the fact that it is west of the east coast.

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Name the divisions Leonardo, Michaelangelo, Donatello, and Raphael.

On a more serious note, the Geographic names will do

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02-26-2013, 08:11 PM
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Yeah, I already get that it's an American term, however my point is that Manitoba is pretty much Midwestern as well, just in Canada.
That's nice, but irrelevant. It's still makes no sense to name a division after something that doesn't apply to over half the teams in the division.

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But if you look at what is considered the midwest the only thing truly west about it is the fact that it is west of the east coast.
Uh.... so? That's true of any region named after a direction. Doesn't change the fact that the region I highlighted is the Midwest, so having a division named after the region when over half of the markets that will be represented within it aren't part of the Midwest makes no sense.

Central makes far more sense in every way for that division. Not to mention that the majority of the soon-to-be-old Central will be part of the new Midwest.

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02-26-2013, 08:13 PM
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That's nice, but irrelevant. It's still makes no sense to name a division after something that doesn't apply to over half the teams in the division.
Dude. I was only commenting from the Winnipeg perspective. I'm not saying it makes sense to have it called "Midwestern" but that Manitoba is a Midwesternish area.

That is all I'm saying. No need to try and prove me wrong. It's not an argument or even a debate.

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Dude. I was only commenting from the Winnipeg perspective. I'm not saying it makes sense to have it called "Midwestern" but that Manitoba is a Midwesternish area.

That is all I'm saying. No need to try and prove me wrong. It's not an argument or even a debate.
Sure, I suppose.... but that's about akin to saying that upstate New York is New England-ish because of proximity. Think you'd get more confused looks than anything else, even with the obvious cultural similarities between the Midwest and Great Plains U.S. and the Prairie Provinces of Canada.

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02-26-2013, 08:24 PM
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Sure, I suppose.... but that's about akin to saying that upstate New York is New England-ish because of proximity. Think you'd get more confused looks than anything else, even with the obvious cultural similarities between the Midwest and Great Plains U.S. and the Prairie Provinces of Canada.
Okay.

Like I said, Winnipeg is a "midwestern-ish" area.

That is all.

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Names aren't going to work in today's day and age. You think Flyers and Rangers will want to play in a Lemieux Division?
If I was in the NHL I'd play in the Gretzky division and I'd be overjoyed to be playing for Los Angeles or San Jose and I'd shut up and play without giving the division name much thought at all.

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02-26-2013, 08:34 PM
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the midwest isn't a real thing... it's not like there's a statutory dentition of it that explicitly excludes canada

it's kind of a farce to pretend that ohio is in the same region as kansas

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the midwest isn't a real thing... it's not like there's a statutory dentition of it that explicitly excludes canada

it's kind of a farce to pretend that ohio is in the same region as kansas
Actually, "Midwest" is a recognized term by the U.S. Census Bureau, so.... there actually is a statutory definition for it as one of the nation's four census regions as recognized by the governmental agency actually responsible for that sort of thing.

So, according to the United States government, Kansas and Ohio actually are in the same region.... granted, different divisions.


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Actually, "Midwest" is a recognized term by the U.S. Census Bureau, so.... there actually is a statutory definition for it as one of the nation's four census regions as recognized by the governmental agency actually responsible for that sort of thing.

So, according to the United States government, Kansas and Ohio actually are in the same region.... granted, different divisions.

So if they have to move Detroit or Columbus into this division to accommodate Quebec when the time comes, the name is already set

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Honestly the Gretzky , Howe , etc idea is awful
Yeah, let's name the Western divisions after a bunch of rich Eastern owners that never even played the game. Oh and we can name one of the Eastern divisions after a former Rangers' GM but completely gloss over the fact that he built the game from nothing in the West.

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If the Rangers end up playing in a division named after a person not named Patrick, I'm not going to call the division by their official name.

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Patrick, Adams, Norris, Smythe
Patrick, Adams, Norris, Smythe
Patrick, Adams, Norris, Smythe
Patrick, Adams, Norris, Smythe
Patrick, Adams, Norris, Smythe
Patrick, Adams, Norris, Smythe
Patrick, Adams, Norris, Smythe
Patrick, Adams, Norris, Smythe
Patrick, Adams, Norris, Smythe

Is there really any other answer?

Clarence Campbell Conference
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Patrick, Adams, Norris, Smythe Divisions

Soooo easy, NHL. You can undo a few decades of utter ******** in one fell swoop. Get the Nords and the Whale back in the league (you already made the right move with the Jets) and it's going to start looking closer to the early 90s again. It's the right choice. That was the last time hockey was awesome.
I agree with every single thing in this post.

Whatever happens, at least we'll be rid of that "Southeast Division" once and for all.

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I have to think that from marketing perspective it cannot be a good thing if simple preseason topics like "Who are early favorites to win Norris?" or "Who will get Adams this season?" are not self explanatory.

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I want to see the return of the chuck norris division. Of course that would see the return of Adams, Patrick, and Smythe. I was annoyed when they did away with it, bring a tradition back. I don't want to see former players as the division names, they are honored in their own ways already. I think its pretty lame if Calgary fans are forced to say their team is in the Gretzky division when he killed them all the time. How would the Leaf fans like being in the Richard division? I can tell you as a Leaf fan it would make me puke. Bring back tradition.

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I have to think that from marketing perspective it cannot be a good thing if simple preseason topics like "Who are early favorites to win Norris?" or "Who will get Adams this season?" are not self explanatory.
I would rather they rename the trophies after players like gretzky and orr if they had to have different names from the divisions. It has to be norris, smythe, adams and patrick.

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Name the divisions after the leagues greatest Commissioners. Calder, Campbell, Ziegler, Bettman.

or Wind, Earth, Fire, and Water.

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