At around the world juniors I had Jones/Barkov at 1/2. Now Drouin has the possibility to go ahead of them, I'd put Mack at 3/4. I'd say Barkov beats him in every aspect but speed. But speed is also really important too. Barkov's season is way more impressive, and they're about the same age. I see their point totals being similar or atleast close enough assuming they both realize their full potential but Barkov will bring a much better defensive game (multiple Selkes), but Nate is a flashier player.
Nate over Barkov imo is almost Rick Nash syndrome. A flashier player will be called a superstar even if he doesn't produce like one, whereas the guy who is actually statistically better but isn't as flashy isn't close.
I don't THINK he'll bust but you just never know. It's never truly CRAZY to say a player could bust. Maybe it's crazy to say he certainly will. But not considering the possibility.
EDIT: However, the way he worded it is pretty crazy. He called him a BIG bust. Crazy hyperbole for sure.
Any player could be a bust, I mean for all we know it ends up being Jones, or Barkov that bust crazier things have happened. My problem with what he said is he basically called him a bust already which is lol worthy.
I just want to point out the obvious, that Barkov is one of the biggest, strongest man-child type prospects since Eric Lindros...hence why I think he has a low bust factor as well.
I agree from the video I have seen of Barkov. I question whether people confuse an effortless and fluid stride with slow and laboured. He seems to be where he needs to be when he needs to be there always around the puck and making the plays. He has sweet hands for such a young and powerful guy. He reminds me of Jaromir Jagr in that way. He also seems to have the same calmness and easiness about his game. Jagr was drafted #5, as others were deemed to be more NHL ready at the time. I wonder if a team will be lucky with Barkov. I would be hesitant to pass him by.
Many of the great players throughout history didn't hit either, I don't see that as a big factor in this argument. If I'm thinking #1 center, hitting is not on the top of the list as a requirement.
Tavares is just so much better offensively imo. JT is also getting stronger, he is becoming alot tougher to slow down.
Don't get me wrong, Nate is a great talent and is definitely a potential franchise player, I just think Tavares will be a superior player throughout their careers.
Yeah, I really don't see MacKinnon being better than Tavares, because if he projected that way, I don't think he'd be ranked after Seth Jones. I don't see Seth Jones being more of a franchise player than Tavares at all.
Just because he isn't as exposed to the NA audience doesn't mean the NHL scouts don't see him often. After all they have individuals in Europe watching these guys. There are scouting agencies that have Mackinnon outside the top 2/3. Scouting is subjective, everyone has different views on players. Haven't seen Barkov enough to make a judgement on his game. Mackinnon definitely has tools to become a solid pro. The way I see it is :- Jones, Mackinnon, Drouin, Barkov.
80% precent of Hfboards NA posters haven't seen Barkov playing FEL game or even any game. 80% of european posters haven't seen MacKinnon playing QMJHL game. Waste of time.
If Barkov was at AHL putting nearly PPG at age of 17 being the best two-way player of that league and competing for AHL MVP award. There would be big buzz in the NA. Barkov is doing that in FEL which is better league in my eyes. Barkov could be very well league MVP but i doubt it because he has lost many games because of WJC. But last time when there was a poll Barkov was 2nd in that poll. Most of NA posters doesen't even know how special season Barkov has had this season. He has put highest point totals ever for draft eligible in top european league, Barkov is the best two-way player in the FEL. If skating is only issue for him he would be heck of a player in the future. He is 6'3 and 210ish and isn't 18 till 6 months. But when you watch how his skating has developed in a year, and how he has alot of potential to be better skater. Barkov was an great skater when he was younger but he wen't from 5'11 and about 170lbs to 6'2 and 205 lbs in a year it hurts anyones skating. Let him grow his leg muscles and get used to his large frame and it is matter of time that Barkov is good to great skater(not elite like MacKinnon). Alot of scouts ranks his skating as good for his type of game, size and age. It will never be an issue for Barkov. Most of Hfboards posters seem to forget that these guys are still very young and still developing. I see alot of working ground and potential in Barkov's skating.