The fact that the kid is a first year player with a tremendous amount of talent stuck on the fourth line with his style of play being held back by an offensively draining Tortorella system?
Was given a chance to play with Richards and Gaborik, he didn't look good in the top-6. Pretty invisible.
I want Torts fired, but holy ****, not everything is his fault.
Bringing in some talent, perhaps. I thought Michael Ryder was perfect before the trade to Montreal today
Yes we could definitely make some trades, But remember no matter who you bring in Its still Torts system. So is it the talent or the system. That is the million dollar question and once Sather figures it out he can move in the direction he needs to.
Yeah that bad angle shot that he kicked right to Jokinen's stick was the D's fault. Lundqvist loses a game by himself and people still defend him. He's been bad this year, it's time to call a spade, a spade.
Agreed. I do not understand why some people think the guy is beyond blame.
They were winning more often than they have been without him and he was playing great hockey.
We could have kept a lot of the other guys we lost outside of the Nash trade but we didn't - Feds and Prust for example. I'm starting to wonder if it wouldn't have been worth paying them more than I'm regretting the Nash trade.
Winning =/= good hockey. The old saying that "a win is a win!" just doesn't cut it. The way we were playing even before this losing streak would not have been conducive to success in the playoffs.
The team is down in the dumps, and when you're in that situation the big guys on your team need to come up big. He's the biggest, and turned in a brutal performance.
__________________ "I don't get why Richards looks like he's dying at the end of every shift, he doesn't do anything." -Crease
The problem is depth and struggles from top players. Miller, Kreider, and Mashinter have no business being on this hockey team. The fact we are asking them to contribute shows how poorly we are constructed right now.
We have a 4 game homestand against WPG, TB, BUF, and PHI - only 1 winning record. To not come away with at least 6 points is unacceptable.
The team is down in the dumps, and when you're in that situation the big guys on your team need to come up big. He's the biggest, and turned in a brutal performance.
You guys are disgusting me right now, we have one of the best goalies in the world. He had an off night but he's bailed us out time after time after time after time and you guys are throwing him under the bus bigtime. Just ridiculous.
Blaming Torts for Kreider's play is absurd. Yeah, he played 4th line minutes tonight, but he's had chances on every line, with every amount of TOI, with every set of players possible. He hasn't shown his strength or speed well enough at all at any point with any amount of ice. This "he's nervous about the coach" stuff is BS. Man up and play the game. Playing timid is obviously not getting him on the coaches good side. Let us not forget that he was playing the way in the AHL with the same poor results. It's not Torts, it's Kreider. Believe it or not, there are problems that don't lead back to Torts.
Was given a chance to play with Richards and Gaborik, he didn't look good in the top-6. Pretty invisible.
I want Torts fired, but holy ****, not everything is his fault.
He actually looked good with richards. In fact if richards hadnt turned over his passes kreider would have had a couple clear breakaways a few games ago
The team is down in the dumps, and when you're in that situation the big guys on your team need to come up big. He's the biggest, and turned in a brutal performance.
The guys in front of him have been embarrassing all season. Hank let in 1 bad goal tonight. Hank should ask for a trade away from this horrid team.
Ha, I thought Lundqvist sucked BEFORE I saw that last goal. That last goal was such a joke. Typical Lundqvist, when he's bad he REALLY BAD. What a garbage goal. Thanks King.
Was given a chance to play with Richards and Gaborik, he didn't look good in the top-6. Pretty invisible.
I want Torts fired, but holy ****, not everything is his fault.
It was just a few games ago that he was getting some big-time minutes and drew two penalties in the first period.
I do not blame him for playing an extremely conservative game. Every single movement he makes is micro-analyzed and has the potential to get him benched for the remainder of the game and/or sent down. Sorry, guys, but I believe Tortorella is single-handedly ruining what is potentially our most promising offensive prospect in a long time.
Yes we could definitely make some trades, But remember no matter who you bring in Its still Torts system. So is it the talent or the system. That is the million dollar question and once Sather figures it out he can move in the direction he needs to.
I don't think it's that simple. It's clear the talent is there. It's clear the system can work (see: 2012 Rangers).
Maybe it's the heart, and we can either bring in more talent or more heart. Guys like Powe and Halpern are a good start, but no one has replaced Prust, Fedotenko, Dubinsky, etc
You guys are disgusting me right now, we have one of the best goalies in the world. He had an off night but he's bailed us out time after time after time after time and you guys are throwing him under the bus bigtime. Just ridiculous.
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The guys in front of him have been embarrassing all season. Hank let in 1 bad goal tonight. Hank should ask for a trade away from this horrid team.
An elite goalie, when his team isn't right, needs to come up with a shutout, or at the very least some huge saves.
No question he is an elite goalie, but clearly not playing like one this year.
It was just a few games ago that he was getting some big-time minutes and drew two penalties in the first period.
I do not blame him for playing an extremely conservative game. Every single movement he makes is micro-analyzed and has the potential to get him benched for the remainder of the game and/or sent down. Sorry, guys, but I believe Tortorella is single-handedly ruining what is potentially our most promising offensive prospect in a long time.
Plus he has been playing much tougher physically lately. This game he started off very well. Yes he took a penalty but jesus christ its not like he takes penalties every game in fact he only has 2 or 3 not like Torts loverboy boyle lol
