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02-26-2013, 07:24 PM
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We arent playing for 5years from now, we are playing to win in the next 2 or 3 years.

Leddy is a bottom pairing Dman on this team, Bolland is an average #2C or amazing #3C. Depth dmen are harder to find than shutdown Cmen.

Bolland over Leddy all day, now and in 3-5 years.
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02-26-2013, 07:30 PM
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We arent playing for 5years from now, we are playing to win in the next 2 or 3 years.

Leddy is a bottom pairing Dman on this team, Bolland is an average #2C or amazing #3C. Depth dmen are harder to find than shutdown Cmen.

Bolland over Leddy all day, now and in 3-5 years.
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02-26-2013, 07:42 PM
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02-26-2013, 08:10 PM
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Leddy over Bolland, give me a break. I like Leddy but that is complete nonsense.

I don't want to turn this into a Leddy thread, so i'll just stick to what I said above. RFAs should sign bridge contracts and not sign offer sheets. If Subban got 2.5, no way in hell should Leddy get more than 2. It's a pet peeve I have that won't change. I hated Hammer for what he did, and I don't want to go through with that with Leddy. Sign with us for a fair price or GTFO.
Hammer signed his offer sheet because Bowman had to lowball him in an attempt to get as many players under the cap as possible. It was a gamble that didn't pay off because SJ saw the Hawks had no options.

Leddy will be resigned. It will probably be under 3 mil, but not by a whole lot. Rozsival got 2 mil (as an UFA) on a 1 year deal. Bowman will have to pay for potential, and incredible skating ability.

Stalberg will be the interesting one. As a UFA with world class skating, and a good sized frame he could command more than he's really worth. Signing him, Leddy, and Hammer in 2014 could put Bolland into jeopardy.

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02-26-2013, 08:10 PM
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Leddy needs to be re-signed before Bolland. I believe Bolland to be the one player who is expendable to both - save cap space and have enough cap space to sign a 2nd line center. Guys with Leddy's talent are very few and far between. The Hawks have prospects to will be ready to replace Bolland in a year or two but have no prospects on defense that could even come close to replacing Leddy.

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02-26-2013, 08:29 PM
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Did I just read Leddy is a bottom D-man? I wasn't hallucinating, right?

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02-26-2013, 09:05 PM
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Did I just read Leddy is a bottom D-man? I wasn't hallucinating, right?
On what team did I say?
And on that team, what pairing does he play on?

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02-26-2013, 09:13 PM
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On what team did I say?
And on that team, what pairing does he play on?
Yeah, but he's better than 99% of bottom-pairing Dmen. Just because he's on the third pair, doesn't make him more replaceable.

Just like Stalberg on the third or first line doesn't make him any more/less replaceable. He's still Stalberg and Leddy's still Leddy.

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Did I just read Leddy is a bottom D-man? I wasn't hallucinating, right?
Leddy is playing on the 3rd pairing, getting 3rd pairing minutes (TOI and shielding), so yes, technically he is a bottom D-man. But realistically, he is more than a bottom D-man. And there is the issue - does he get paid for what everyone knows he will become or does he get paid for what he actually played this season. Either way, in my opinion Leddy is the first priority to get re-signed.

Priority to free agent signing:
1. Leddy - future 40-50 pt pmd
2. Kruger - Mr. all everythng
3. Stalberg - speed/size not replaceable
4. The rest as possible - Bickell, Emery, Roszival

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02-26-2013, 09:28 PM
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Stalberg is gone, Bickell is likely gone. Sign Leddy longterm with Kruger right behind him. Leddy on a Keith 2.33 contract sounds great

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02-26-2013, 09:45 PM
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Keeping Leddy is important. Hawks should do everything possible to get him for 3+ yrs at less than $3m per.

Bolland can walk after next season. I love 36 but we have Danault/Pirri/Kruger/TT (maybe C maybe not)/McNeill as solid looking centers in the system. Bolland has just not done enough to earn a raise from his $3.3m that he makes now, and I doubt he's going to take pay cut.

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02-26-2013, 09:46 PM
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On what team did I say?
And on that team, what pairing does he play on?
Using your logic, Patrick Kane is only a second-line winger.

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02-26-2013, 10:06 PM
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Keeping Leddy is important. Hawks should do everything possible to get him for 3+ yrs at less than $3m per.

Bolland can walk after next season. I love 36 but we have Danault/Pirri/Kruger/TT (maybe C maybe not)/McNeill as solid looking centers in the system. Bolland has just not done enough to earn a raise from his $3.3m that he makes now, and I doubt he's going to take pay cut.
Agreed on Bolland. Plus, with his injury history who knows if re-signing him is a smart option at this point.

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02-26-2013, 11:25 PM
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Keeping Leddy is important. Hawks should do everything possible to get him for 3+ yrs at less than $3m per.

Bolland can walk after next season. I love 36 but we have Danault/Pirri/Kruger/TT (maybe C maybe not)/McNeill as solid looking centers in the system. Bolland has just not done enough to earn a raise from his $3.3m that he makes now, and I doubt he's going to take pay cut.
Perfect post. That is exactly the point that I was trying to convey.

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02-27-2013, 12:32 AM
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Stalberg is gone, Bickell is likely gone. Sign Leddy longterm with Kruger right behind him. Leddy on a Keith 2.33 contract sounds great
reality tells me that's how it looks like.

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02-27-2013, 07:39 AM
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Leddy over Bolland, give me a break. I like Leddy but that is complete nonsense.

I don't want to turn this into a Leddy thread, so i'll just stick to what I said above. RFAs should sign bridge contracts and not sign offer sheets. If Subban got 2.5, no way in hell should Leddy get more than 2. It's a pet peeve I have that won't change. I hated Hammer for what he did, and I don't want to go through with that with Leddy. Sign with us for a fair price or GTFO.
Bolland's skill set has become pretty redundant on this team, at least in a salary cap world.

Bolland's best role is as a shut down third line centre.

He doesn't provide enough offence to be a second line centre, and he's not shutting anyone down in that role.

Kruger is slowly taking over the Bolland role, at a fraction of the cost, and without the injuries.

I like Bolland as much as the next guy, and he was instrumental in our SC run. But if the team needs to make choices of who to sign/trade, Bolland may well not make the cut. Trading him in a package for a #2 centre, and having Kruger center the #3 line, may well be in the future for this cap team.

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02-27-2013, 07:53 AM
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I will probably get flamed, but I think Stalberg and Bickell will walk. I agree with the OP on the buy outs. And I like Bolland.....don't get me wrong. But I think he is tradeable or else he walks the following year in order not to turn over too much of the roster. We are deep at forward and there is no use sinking $ into F that we most likely can replace more economically.

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I will probably get flamed, but I think Stalberg and Bickell will walk. I agree with the OP on the buy outs. And I like Bolland.....don't get me wrong. But I think he is tradeable or else he walks the following year in order not to turn over too much of the roster. We are deep at forward and there is no use sinking $ into F that we most likely can replace more economically.
I wouldn't let Stalberg walk.. If we can't get a deal done then I would trade him.

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I wouldn't let Stalberg walk.. If we can't get a deal done then I would trade him.
True. I hope that happens and we get a pic in this year's draft or something like that. But you usually get the most out of a person who is going ot be a UFA during the season and we don't want to mess with the team then. Unless we win the Cup then everyone is worth 1.5 X their value it seems.

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Using your logic, Patrick Kane is only a second-line winger.
On this team, he is.

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On this team, he is.
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Yeah, but he's better than 99% of bottom-pairing Dmen. Just because he's on the third pair, doesn't make him more replaceable.

Just like Stalberg on the third or first line doesn't make him any more/less replaceable. He's still Stalberg and Leddy's still Leddy.
Like I said, it would have nothing to do with his play that I wouldn't want to sign him. It's everything to do with wanting players to play here that want to play here, regardless of what their agents think. I want to keep players here that want to play here, I don't care for the players that go for the money and sign offer sheets or hold out.

I would be more than happy to sign him to something a little less than Subban or something he is currently worth, but if it's an offersheet or complete overpayment for his current play, I am OK with saying bye.

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Stalberg is gone, Bickell is likely gone. Sign Leddy longterm with Kruger right behind him. Leddy on a Keith 2.33 contract sounds great
Agree with everything. I wonder what Bickell would get on the open market. If we can get him on a reasonable deal, I'd like him back. Stalberg is going to get around $3 mil so I don't see how we can keep him.

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I wouldn't let Stalberg walk.. If we can't get a deal done then I would trade him.
The Hawks aren't going to move important roster players during the season.

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Leddy over Bolland, give me a break. I like Leddy but that is complete nonsense.

I don't want to turn this into a Leddy thread, so i'll just stick to what I said above. RFAs should sign bridge contracts and not sign offer sheets. If Subban got 2.5, no way in hell should Leddy get more than 2. It's a pet peeve I have that won't change. I hated Hammer for what he did, and I don't want to go through with that with Leddy. Sign with us for a fair price or GTFO.
Short term thinking my friend. Chances are we get him for under $3 M, and I don't like it either if we have to pay more, but we can't let Leddy walk. I think Q has him pegged as his project, and has hopes of him becoming another Keith.

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